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  1. GraylyHen94

    OU DPP OU Metagame Discussion Thread

    Banning Waterfall is throwing the baby out with the bath water. It's not 60% of the time like Jirachi's Iron Head, it's just 20% which is negligible when compared to how useful and easy Jirachi is and how many more roles it can fulfill + enable. Aqua Tail isn't an acceptable alternative when...
  2. GraylyHen94

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]

    That isn't vitriol. Calling it vitriol is an over exaggerated irrational response in the same way that saying to remove freeze, para, and sleep is the only way forward because you think it makes you sound better in your argument against luck. If you think someone saying bullshit is a terrible...
  3. GraylyHen94

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]

    Bad faith arguing with a ridiculous claim of back porting at the end, 0/10 intellect in this post. If you're gonna argue against it provide detailed information and feelings on it not this kinda bullshit
  4. GraylyHen94

    Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v2 [Update on Post #5186]

    Are we really doing a repeat of Last Respects again? Dire Claw is an obvious problem and the move should be banned not the Mon. It's ridiculous to think that banning Dire Claw is an unhealthy choice. The move is breaking sleep clause and it'd be an obnoxious move on any Pokemon. Sneasler is a...
  5. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    Yeah the huge dif between Pincurchin and Torkoal is the coverage and defense Torkoal has as well as his synergy with some Protosynthesis Mons. The Iron series work well enough on their own to not need Pincurchin around. When the greatest Electric type of all type and overall best Mon ever Tapu...
  6. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    All of my calcs are Proto boosts, they just don't show up on the calc and if it's Chi-Yu that boosts every special attacker to hell then that's not FM's fault. Tera typing is another ordeal, still doesn't stop her from being frail and if she's throwing her EVs into bulk then she can't keep her...
  7. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    Flutter Mane is not a broken unbeatable killing machine and the vote containing no comments on her besides ban/no ban and coming down to just one vote is a bit much. I have listed ample ways to deal with her in my pastebin, including calcs for four different tanks as well as different ways for a...
  8. GraylyHen94

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion [ UPDATE POST #1293]

    The minimum should be to approach it how VGC is doing it in-game right now with Tera Preview rather than going with a flat out ban. I really think the vote should initially be either keep it as is or Tera Preview. It's a mechanic in VGC right now so no more coping with "but that's not how the...
  9. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    Yeah that really just feels like cheating. That's gotta be an oversight from the devs, not some niche fun strat. It was incredibly cringe
  10. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    If you legit always had to make sure every single Mon could take a hit from her or else they're trash then yeah she'd be busted out the ass
  11. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    That is not what I meant by benchmark. What i meant is that if your Mon is fat enough to take her on then it's likely a good Mon at taking other and lesser special hits, not that you should always invest to take her on specifically. I calc stuff for Lando-T in older gens to see if a Mon is...
  12. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    1000% agree on Tatsugiri + Dondozo. I have said it a few times but I really wanna say again that Flutter Mane isn't an unstoppable force. She doesn't get to ever come in for free, she is very frail and needs help with her Speed, she dies to priority spam and to even neutral physical hits, if you...
  13. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    I really do think Flutter Mane is fine, I always build to have solutions to her that aren't straints or unacceptable methods. I think the worst thing to deal with is her boosted Speed but other than that I don't find her grossly overpowered, she's a monster in singles but not here. If you're...
  14. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    Can we remove evasion abilities as well as items if they're not already? It's not seen often but they should be removed for being uncompetitive and entirely luck based. Every Mon with a Veil/Cloak has another ability. No one should have to worry about that 25% garbage
  15. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    I'm sorry if I come off as trying to demean you but it's just been this way forever and it's really tiring. I'm at work rn and don't have time to give a proper reply but I will talk a bit later when I'm available. Strawmanning is awful and it rears it's ugly head in this topic often. I apologize...
  16. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    I don't really care about Annihilape anymore cuz I don't see myself using him but anyone who posts the strawman about "bro you'll want this next" should edit their posts with something that isn't bullshit like this and infects the discussion of move/complex bans every single time. Anyone who...
  17. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    Darkrai and Dark Void. Smeargle can't even use it anymore so that argument can't be made. Dark Void was banned for being bullshit, Rage Fist can be done the same way. Singles tiering sucks and so does acting like one choice for a Mon/move will crumble the entire tiering process. Let the monkey...
  18. GraylyHen94

    Metagame np: SV DOU Stage 0: Start Over | Flutter Mane, Tatsugiri Quickbanned

    I haven't had too hard a time checking Flutter Mane through Scizor, Tera types, status, and the way I build my teams. She is strong and her presence in the tier isn't unnoticed, but I don't find her obnoxiously powerful. We are in a doubles meta, she's not always gonna be safe with 1v1 matchups...
  19. GraylyHen94

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion [ UPDATE POST #1293]

    Yes DMax was hellishly broken, that is true. This is not DMax. There is nothing complex about "This Mon can't use Tera because it would be horribly broken with it". If someone reads that Dragapult or whoever can't Tera then they can read the suspect test for it. You may not have specifically...
  20. GraylyHen94

    Metagame Terastallization Tiering Discussion [ UPDATE POST #1293]

    One idea of complex bans is Gren in OU (or whatever it'd drop to) without Protean and the other side of it is saying people want to have things like Gren without Gunk Shot (a move tutor move from ORAS that let him dumpster Clefable and Torn-T) or other moves taken away which then goes all the...
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