Alolan Grimer, Muk Discussion

[DHR-107]

Grimer
Poison/Dark
Abilities: Poison Touch/Gluttony/Power of Alchemy
HP: 80
Atk: 80
Def: 50
SpAtk: 40
SpDef: 50
Spe: 25

Learn Set

Level Up

Start - Pound
Start - Poison Gas
L4 - Harden
L7 - Bite
L12 - Disable
L15 - Acid Spray
L18 - Poison Fang
L21 - Minimize
L26 - Fling
L29 - Knock Off
L32 - Crunch
L37 - Screech
L40 - Gunk Shot
L43 - Acid Armor
L46 - Belch
L48 - Memento

TMs

TM06 - Toxic
TM09 - Venoshock
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM21 - Frustration
TM27 - Return
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM32 - Double Team
TM34 - Sludge Wave
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM36 - Sludge Bomb
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM41 - Torment
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM46 - Thief
TM48 - Round
TM56 - Fling
TM59 - Brutal Swing
TM60 - Quash
TM63 - Embargo
TM64 - Explosion
TM66 - Payback
TM69 - Rock Polish
TM71 - Stone Edge
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM83 - Infestation
TM84 - Poison Jab
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM95 - Snarl
TM100 - Confide

Egg moves

Egg - Clear Smog
Egg - Mean Look
Egg - Pursuit
Egg - Imprison
Egg - Curse
Egg - Assurance
Egg - Shadow Sneak
Egg - Stockpile
Egg - Swallow
Egg - Spit Up
Egg - Scary Face
Egg - Spite

Muk
Poison/Dark
Abilities: Poison Touch/Gluttony/Power of Alchemy
HP: 105
Atk: 105
Def: 75
SpAtk: 65
SpDef: 100
Spe: 50

Learn Set

Level Up

Start - Venom Drench
Start - Venom Drench
Start - Pound
Start - Poison Gas
Start - Harden
Start - Bite
L4 - Harden
L7 - Bite
L12 - Disable
L15 - Acid Spray
L18 - Poison Fang
L21 - Minimize
L26 - Fling
L29 - Knock Off
L32 - Crunch
L37 - Screech
L40 - Gunk Shot
L46 - Acid Armor
L52 - Belch
L57 - Memento

TMs

TM06 - Toxic
TM09 - Venoshock
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM12 - Taunt
TM15 - Hyper Beam
TM17 - Protect
TM18 - Rain Dance
TM21 - Frustration
TM27 - Return
TM30 - Shadow Ball
TM31 - Brick Break
TM32 - Double Team
TM34 - Sludge Wave
TM35 - Flamethrower
TM36 - Sludge Bomb
TM38 - Fire Blast
TM39 - Rock Tomb
TM41 - Torment
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM46 - Thief
TM48 - Round
TM52 - Focus Blast
TM56 - Fling
TM59 - Brutal Swing
TM60 - Quash
TM63 - Embargo
TM64 - Explosion
TM66 - Payback
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM69 - Rock Polish
TM71 - Stone Edge
TM80 - Rock Slide
TM83 - Infestation
TM84 - Poison Jab
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM95 - Snarl
TM97 - Dark Pulse
TM100 - Confide

Egg moves

Egg - Clear Smog
Egg - Mean Look
Egg - Pursuit
Egg - Imprison
Egg - Curse
Egg - Assurance
Egg - Shadow Sneak
Egg - Stockpile
Egg - Swallow
Egg - Spit Up
Egg - Scary Face
Egg - Spite

New Ability

Power of Alchemy: The Pokémon copies the Ability of a defeated ally.

 

[CrymsonEchidna]

With how many Special Moves it learns, I'd be more on board with Muk if the Attack and Special Attack stats were swapped.

 

[TheTraininator]

It's better Muk, basically. No reason to use regular Muk in the same tier as this one when it has the better offensive AND defensive type.

 

[Sceptilo]

It's better Muk, basically. No reason to use regular Muk in the same tier as this one when it has the better offensive AND defensive type.

AND the exactly same stats o.o I really don't understand why they didn't just give regular Muk an additional typing. What's the point, this one just straight up outclasses it 99%...

 

[CrymsonEchidna]

It's better Muk, basically. No reason to use regular Muk in the same tier as this one when it has the better offensive AND defensive type.

That is true, but unfortunately it still lacks any way to heal itself outside of Leftovers/Black Sludge so Amoonguss is still looking better all around.

 

[AquaticPanic]

Do I even have to mention that people will use it with Air Baloon + Shedinja as a gimmicky strategy? Can't be poisoned either and has an actual HP Stat. This is gonna be so annoying in low-tier doubles

 

[STEELDRAGON]

A good improvement over normal Muk. Its new abililty has many potential uses and could open up some nice possibilities. It also has STAB crunch to scare off psychic types. I bet it will be a solid pokemon in the lower tiers.

 

[blasphemy1]

That is true, but unfortunately it still lacks any way to heal itself outside of Leftovers/Black Sludge so Amoonguss is still looking better all around.

Unless you want a Pursuit trapper, which is the very reason this thing is awesome in lower tiers where Drapion and Skuntank find usage.

 

[churine]

I'm kinda sad that they keep the same stat distribution as regular Grimer & Muk but the fact is that their Dark types put them a league ahead of their normal brethren. Along with access to Knock Off & Pursuit, it's going to be pretty cool in NU & RU.

Now I hope regular Muk gets something cool to not make it 100% outclassed by its Alola form, maybe Bulk Up?

 

[6ft Torbjorn]

Yeah, guys? You are aware that this thing get's Knock Off/Poison touch by default? I find it scary you guys aren't talking about that

 

[Vengeance417]

Idk, guys. I wouldn't write Alolan Muk off just yet. It might not be as amazing as other mons so far, but it has some notable positives:

• Great offensive and defensive typing with only one Ground weakness, which can be easily covered by teammates/Air Balloon.
• While its movepool leaves much to be desired, it gets access to both STAB Knock Off and Gunk Shot.
• It can STAB Pursuit-trap, which imo, is amazing for Assault Vest sets.
• It gets access to Curse as a set-up move, which I can see being a great way to patch up its weaker physical defense.
• Shadow Sneak priority, but wishes it got Sucker Punch instead.

I wish this thing got Sucker Punch and Earthquake as well as a better physical movepool overall, but STAB Knock Off, Gunk Shot and Pursuit definitely shouldn't be overlooked. This thing might actually be a nice, yet niche check to the Latis if running an Assault Vest.

 

[Joe Career]

Unless I understood this wrong, doesn't this new Hidden Ability work exactly like Passimian's Receiver? As in, in Singles, Alolan Muk can inherit something like Magic Bounce from a Xatu or Speed Boost from Combusken? That makes it so much better than Drapion imo.

 

[Vengeance417]

Unless I understood this wrong, doesn't this new Hidden Ability work exactly like Passimian's Receiver? As in, in Singles, Alolan Muk can inherit something like Magic Bounce from a Xatu or Speed Boost from Combusken? That makes it so much better than Drapion imo.

I want to know if this works in Singles, too, because sacking a Levitate Pokemon, then going in to Muk would be absolutely sick.

 

[Joe Career]

It would still have to deal with stuff like Mold Breaker users, and just overall strong attackers.
But seriously, if it can inherit anything in Singles, it's going to be a beast.

 

[BENDIEZ]

Better Muk courtesy of it's dual typing and access to Knock Off. Pity the base stats remain the same. Good Poke for checking / countering many Psychics and Fairies. The "No reliable recovery" clause hurts it. I'd would have like some of it's Special Attack and base Speed poured on it's physical stats.

Might be a good UU or RU Poke at worst

 

[Tory]

I can see Alolan Muk as a great special wall against Alakazam, Amoonguss, Breloom, Mega Charizard Y, Gengar, Latias & Latios (without Earthquake), Magnetzone, Mega Manectric, Starmie, Serperior, Tangrowth, Thundurus, Tornadus, Volcarona and Zapdos.

 

[Philos]

Welp, pair this behemoth with Levitate (using Power of Alchemy) and you have the most annoying Pokemon. You can even set-up curses and sweep with Shadow Sneak and Gunk Shot.

 

[Mr. Goodra]

This looks a really fun mon and I really hope it sees use. A relatively unique typing (and certainly the best of it's kind) along with a solid moveset and respectable bulk means it could serve as a niche pick. Shame it doesn't get reliable recovery because then it'd be a beast.

 

[Vengeance417]

Muk-Alolan @ Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Touch/Power of Alchemy (if it's proven to work in singles)
EVs: 248 HP / 100 Atk / 92 Def / 64 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Gunk Shot
- Shadow Sneak

This is an Alolan Muk set I'd run as a niche Pursuit trapper in OU. Physical bulk prevents Latios's EQ from 2HKOing you, special bulk prevents Latios's Draco Meteor from doing half, keeping you relatively healthy and still dodging the EQ knockout (although you'll most likely die after rocks, so keep those off the field), 4 speed to creep on opposing 50s such as Tangrowth and the rest in Attack.

I still really hope Power of Alchemy works in Singles, because tracing Levitate would be so good in OU, meaning EQ/EP users wouldn't be able to revenge-kill all that well.

 

[TURBODERP]

Muk-Alolan @ Assault Vest
Ability: Poison Touch/Power of Alchemy (if it's proven to work in singles)
EVs: 248 HP / 100 Atk / 92 Def / 64 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Pursuit
- Gunk Shot
- Shadow Sneak

This is an Alolan Muk set I'd run as a niche Pursuit trapper in OU. Physical bulk prevents Latios's EQ from 2HKOing you, special bulk prevents Latios's Draco Meteor from doing half, keeping you relatively healthy and still dodging the EQ knockout (although you'll most likely die after rocks, so keep those off the field), 4 speed to creep on opposing 50s such as Tangrowth and the rest in Attack.

I still really hope Power of Alchemy works in Singles, because tracing Levitate would be so good in OU, meaning EQ/EP users wouldn't be able to revenge-kill all that well.

I think Poison Jab might be better than Gunk Shot. Yea you lose out on the Base Power, but with Poison Touch (assuming that PoA doesn't work right in singles) you have what, 50% chance to poison things with Jab? That's pretty nice for things like Landorus-T and Garchomp which will switch in. Also, it's accurate.

Of course if PoA works in singles then Gunk is probably better.

 

[Vengeance417]

I think Poison Jab might be better than Gunk Shot. Yea you lose out on the Base Power, but with Poison Touch (assuming that PoA doesn't work right in singles) you have what, 50% chance to poison things with Jab? That's pretty nice for things like Landorus-T and Garchomp which will switch in. Also, it's accurate.

Of course if PoA works in singles then Gunk is probably better.

100+ Atk Muk Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 192-228 (48.7 - 57.8%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

100+ Atk Muk Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 288-338 (73 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Idk man, I feel the much greater strength that comes with Gunk Shot just gives Muk more mileage, but yeah, Jab is still an option for that Sacred Fire-like Poison chance.

 

[TURBODERP]

100+ Atk Muk Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 192-228 (48.7 - 57.8%) -- 50.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

100+ Atk Muk Gunk Shot vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 288-338 (73 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Idk man, I feel the much greater strength that comes with Gunk Shot just gives Muk more mileage, but yeah, Jab is still an option for that Sacred Fire-like Poison chance.

Fair enough, but I don't think Clef runs that spread unless it's CM Unaware, in which case the Poison chance is huge.

I think it'll depend on the mechanics of Power of Alchemy TBH.

 

[MachoCheeze]

Okay so I was thinking early. With Power of Alchemy in doubles, A-Muk (w/ Air Balloon) can be sent out with Shedinja, Shadow Sneak it first turn, and inherent Wonder Guard making him immune to direct damage. Of course it can still be whittled down by status or phased out, but unprepared for this sounds incredibly annoying to deal with in doubles lol.

 

[Bidoofmydoof]

Okay so I was thinking early. With Power of Alchemy in doubles, A-Muk (w/ Air Balloon) can be sent out with Shedinja, Shadow Sneak it first turn, and inherent Wonder Guard making him immune to direct damage. Of course it can still be whittled down by status or phased out, but unprepared for this sounds incredibly annoying to deal with in doubles lol.

Don't forget Muk can't be poisoned unless the enemy has a Salazzle, so really only WoW.

 

[MachoCheeze]

Don't forget Muk can't be poisoned unless the enemy has a Salazzle, so really only WoW.

Burn damage being nerfed too means more longevity for Muk. The attack drop hurts though since it hits from the physical side.