Yeah, you can get rolling on those~
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Past Gens Analysis Reservation Index
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Should i prepare a pastebin as a framework prior or do i just dive straight into it?
dive right in. once you have an outline / skeleton, you can post a thread with it for qc to look over
I'm on it!
This is my first post. If this is in the incorrect part of the forums, please move it to to appropriate section.
I may be wrong, but I think GSC Raichu and Dugtrio have illegal movesets. Raichu's "Support" moveset here has both Encore and a slot for Reflect on the same moveset, while Dugtrio here has both Rock Slide and a slot for Beat Up on the same moveset.
I don't think this can be done without hacking as they each have a move that can only be learned in Gen 1 and transferred over with the Time Capsule (Reflect and Rock Slide) and a move that can only be learned through breeding (Encore and Beat Up).
I may be wrong, but I think GSC Raichu and Dugtrio have illegal movesets. Raichu's "Support" moveset here has both Encore and a slot for Reflect on the same moveset, while Dugtrio here has both Rock Slide and a slot for Beat Up on the same moveset.
I don't think this can be done without hacking as they each have a move that can only be learned in Gen 1 and transferred over with the Time Capsule (Reflect and Rock Slide) and a move that can only be learned through breeding (Encore and Beat Up).
I'd like to reserve two mons in gen1 UU format: Kadabra and Dugtrio.
sounds good, approved
I'd like to reserve Golbat for RS NU
sure, go for it ^.^
could i reserve huntail for adv nu? surprisingly doesn't have anything in the smogdex despite being ranked in top of S
It's in there, was just uploaded a few months ago
i'll be happy to reserve a GSC UU gyarados analysis if it's not already taken. I've noticed it doesn't have an analysis in UU, and being a top Pokemon there, I'd love to give it a set that works there.
Alright, approved~
apokemontrainer68
Banned deucer.
I'm back and i have more experience with pokemon battling now so i decided that i should try making at least one good analysis
I would like to cover Pikachu for Gen 3 NU
I would like to cover Pikachu for Gen 3 NU
apokemontrainer68
Banned deucer.
So can i start with the analysis?
I do not know if I am in the right place but I try: being a contributor on the French Bulbapedia (which is called Poképédia), I started to create, update and complete the lists of mons by tier and for all generations (a rather huge work). The lists are here: Uber, OU, UU, RU, NU, PU, NFE, BL and LC. I was obviously inspired by existing lists on Smogon and Showdown (to innovate I added a "trend" for each pokémon according to the generations, which is presented by an arrow: blue when it stays in his tier, red when he regresses, green when it increases). Having found a number of small errors or inconsistencies (between Smogon or Showdown for example), I submit here the list of these finds. It gives you time for the editors to correct, check or reclaim me if I make mistakes myself. I'm obviously focusing on older generations.
For Generation I, there is:
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Haunter is UU for Smogon but NFE for Showdown (it has no analysis yet);
• based on the UU viability rankings,
Staryu,
Poliwhirl and
Dragonair would also be UU;
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Clefairy, a bit like Poipole or Type: Null in gen 7, is not eligible in LC because it is not obtainable at level 5 (so it is NFE);
• I guess it's not official but some recognize a "BL tier" and a NU tier at that time. Does Smogon dex have to take inspiration from that?
No problem for
Kadabra and
Graveler but they do not been analyzed yet.
For Generation II, there is:
• there is on Showdown a list of NU mons (which does not exist on Smogon, considered by default as UU). It would be an official format: should it be created on Smogon? The list of NU in 2G is here;
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Haunter and
Pikachu are UU for Smogon but NFE for Showdown (but they are top tiers in NU according to this viability rankings);
• based on this same VRs,
Pineco,
Seadra,
Graveler, Gloom and Porygon would also be NU.
No problem for
Chansey and
Kadabra but they do not been analyzed yet.
For Generation III, there is:
• according to this list of PU, we would have as top tiers Dragonair and Sealeo (so far no problem). And in the banlist of this tier (the NU so, I make the list here), there is including
Abra and
Diglett (so we must also consider them as NU on Smogon);
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Kadabra is BL as Alakazam (so it is totally unusable). Should we unban this mon in UU?
No problem for Chansey, Wynaut, Wartortle, Golbat, Poliwhirl, Weepinbell, Dragonair, Quilava, Magby, Grovyle, Sealeo and Metang but they do not been analyzed yet.
For Generation IV, there is:
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Wynaut would apparently be allowed in LC (Smogon does not indicate it). Should we unban this mon in OU?
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Rhydon is NU for Smogon but NFE for Showdown (it has no analysis yet);
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Trapinch is NU for Smogon but only LC for Showdown;
• did
Zigzagoon have Gluttony at that time (Smogon does not mention it)?
• did
Glameow have Keen Eye at that time (I think that's a mistake)?
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Spiky-eared Pichu is special because it can not evolve: it is neither LC nor NFE but NU (as does Showdown). Should we create a specific analysis for this form (even if it's gimmick)?
No problem for Kadabra and Misdreavus but they do not been analyzed yet.
I will talk about other generations later (where there is a lot to say). To simplify greatly these small inconsistencies, I propose the creation of NFE and LC Uber on Smogon dex (so we will have all the pokémon categorized and it will avoid errors). I hope in any case do not speak a too bad English :)
For Generation I, there is:
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• based on the UU viability rankings,
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• I guess it's not official but some recognize a "BL tier" and a NU tier at that time. Does Smogon dex have to take inspiration from that?
No problem for
For Generation II, there is:
• there is on Showdown a list of NU mons (which does not exist on Smogon, considered by default as UU). It would be an official format: should it be created on Smogon? The list of NU in 2G is here;
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• based on this same VRs,
No problem for
For Generation III, there is:
• according to this list of PU, we would have as top tiers Dragonair and Sealeo (so far no problem). And in the banlist of this tier (the NU so, I make the list here), there is including
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No problem for Chansey, Wynaut, Wartortle, Golbat, Poliwhirl, Weepinbell, Dragonair, Quilava, Magby, Grovyle, Sealeo and Metang but they do not been analyzed yet.
For Generation IV, there is:
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No problem for Kadabra and Misdreavus but they do not been analyzed yet.
I will talk about other generations later (where there is a lot to say). To simplify greatly these small inconsistencies, I propose the creation of NFE and LC Uber on Smogon dex (so we will have all the pokémon categorized and it will avoid errors). I hope in any case do not speak a too bad English :)
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While waiting for one or more answers (it can wait several weeks, there is nothing urgent), I post now my remarks for the last two generations:
For Generation V, there is:
• some mons at that time had unreleased abilities (I found a list here) and all have in their Smogon analysis a section called "Unreleased" (which no longer exists in subsequent generations). However there are contradictory situations: Serperior for example recence Contrary in the abilities but on the contrary Feraligatr does not show Sheer Force. I have two proposals: either we do not indicate these nonexistent abilities, or we indicate them by crossing them (as does Showdown), like this "Contrary";
• as Arena Trap has been retroactively banned from the OU,
Dugtrio must descend to NU. On the other hand I am not for the suppression of the analysis now obsolete but for archiving (as it should have been the case for Pheromosa in OU SM or for Trapinch in PU ORAS);
• as Snow Warning has been retroactively banned from the UU,
Abomasnow must descend to NU;
• as
Carvanha has been retroactively unbanned, he must return in LC on Smogon (I am very much waiting for the analysis);
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Musharna is BL4 for Smogon but NU for Showdown. I guess it was banned from PU but it was not an official tier at the time (as much delete BL4 in BW);
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Monferno is nothing for Smogon but it's NU for Showdown. Nothing surprising, this monkey has always been good in the worst tiers;
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Servine is NU for Smogon but it is certainly an error (Serperior is already in this tier) and without Contrary, this mon is totally useless and is therefore a vulgar NFE;
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Whirlipede is NU for Showdown but it is certainly an error and without Speed Boost, this mon is totally useless and is therefore a vulgar NFE (this time, Smogon is right);
• a considerable number of mons are NU for Smogon but NFE for Showdown: Magmar, Gothorita, Duosion and Klang;
• a considerable number of mons are NU for Smogon but only LC for Showdown: Pineco, Wynaut, Riolu and Frillish;
• on the contrary,
Tentacool is only LC but it has an analysis in NU (it is nevertheless in the same situation as the preceding ones: a LC mon that has a specific niche). I do not take into account the analyzes of Aron, Magikarp and Kakuna in the upper tiers (who are there for troll);
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Scraggy is NU for Smogon but LC Uber for Showdown;
• based on the viability rankings of PU (I make the list here), we see that
Bronzor, Chinchou or Pupitar are perfectly playable mons (for the first it is even a top tier). Should not we create NU analyzes for these three mons (if they have a niche of course)?
No problem for
Excadrill but I am very much waiting for the analysis in OU.
For Generation VI, there is:
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Jellicent is RU but it's categorized as NU on Smogon (this is certainly an error);
• as Arena Trap has been retroactively banned from the OU,
Dugtrio must descend to PU (noted that Trapinch's analysis was also deleted);
• a (very) considerable number of mons are PU for Smogon but NFE for Showdown: Wartortle, Pikachu (it has no analysis yet), Weepinbell, Electabuzz, Dragonair, Vibrava, Dusclops, Servine, Whirlipede, Krokorok, Duosion, Klang, Fraxure, Zweilous, Quilladin, Frogadier (it has no analysis yet in PU) and Sligoo (same thing);
• a considerable number of mons are PU for Smogon but only LC for Showdown: Chinchou, Natu, Munchlax, Hippopotas and Venipede;
• on the contrary,
Tentacool,
Onix and
Bronzor are only LC but they have a analysis in PU (they are nevertheless in the same situation as the previous ones: LC mons who have a specific niche);
• same thing for
Frillish but it does not have PU analysis (only in NU);
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Murkrow is PU for Smogon but LC Uber for Showdown;
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Cosplay Pikachu is special because it can not evolve: it is not NFE but PU (as does Showdown). Should we create a specific analysis for this form (even if it's gimmick)?
• based on the viability rankings of PU, we see that
Mienfoo is present (it's a D rank certainly but that means he has a niche). Should we create a PU analysis for this mon?
• based on the viability rankings of ZU (the unofficial tier below the PU), we see that
Lairon,
Magmar, Scraggy, Shelgon or Lampent are perfectly playable mons (for the first it is even a top tier). Should not we create PU analyzes for these five mons (if they have a niche of course)?
That's it, I think I've done the trick (I could talk about gen VII but that's not the purpose of this forum). Do not hesitate to discuss some points that I mentioned.
For Generation V, there is:
• some mons at that time had unreleased abilities (I found a list here) and all have in their Smogon analysis a section called "Unreleased" (which no longer exists in subsequent generations). However there are contradictory situations: Serperior for example recence Contrary in the abilities but on the contrary Feraligatr does not show Sheer Force. I have two proposals: either we do not indicate these nonexistent abilities, or we indicate them by crossing them (as does Showdown), like this "
• as Arena Trap has been retroactively banned from the OU,
• as Snow Warning has been retroactively banned from the UU,
• as
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• a considerable number of mons are NU for Smogon but NFE for Showdown: Magmar, Gothorita, Duosion and Klang;
• a considerable number of mons are NU for Smogon but only LC for Showdown: Pineco, Wynaut, Riolu and Frillish;
• on the contrary,
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• based on the viability rankings of PU (I make the list here), we see that
No problem for
For Generation VI, there is:
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• as Arena Trap has been retroactively banned from the OU,
• a (very) considerable number of mons are PU for Smogon but NFE for Showdown: Wartortle, Pikachu (it has no analysis yet), Weepinbell, Electabuzz, Dragonair, Vibrava, Dusclops, Servine, Whirlipede, Krokorok, Duosion, Klang, Fraxure, Zweilous, Quilladin, Frogadier (it has no analysis yet in PU) and Sligoo (same thing);
• a considerable number of mons are PU for Smogon but only LC for Showdown: Chinchou, Natu, Munchlax, Hippopotas and Venipede;
• on the contrary,
• same thing for
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• based on the viability rankings of PU, we see that
• based on the viability rankings of ZU (the unofficial tier below the PU), we see that
That's it, I think I've done the trick (I could talk about gen VII but that's not the purpose of this forum). Do not hesitate to discuss some points that I mentioned.
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May I do a revamp for ADV Yanma?
EDIT: May I also do a revamp for ADV Mightyena?
EDIT: May I also do a revamp for ADV Mightyena?
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Ya go for it, Mightyena is fucking trash so make sure that gets across. Be sure you're writing about NU tho
Can I take up ADV NU Diglett? It's extremely important in the tier and it doesn't have an analysis.
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