Project USUM OU Victim of the Week [Week 49: Dragon Dance Gyarados]

[Martin]

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Rock Head
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Flare Blitz
- Shadow Bone
- Bonemerang

Alolan Marowak fears nothing from Mew as the listed set lacks Knock Off. It uses it to fire off a free Shadow Bone/Flare Blitz or, versus certain teams, can set up Swords Dance in its face. BTW if you're still using Lightningrod you need to seriously reconsider whether you should be using Alolan Marowak 'cause LRod Wak is steaming trash.

 

[Mjcoolthepokegod]

Suicune as a Counter.
Set:
Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 16 SpD / 240 Spe
Timid Nature
- Scald
- Substitute
- Calm Mind
- Protect
Explanation: Suicune pretty much beats this mew variant everytime. mew can do nothing be burn it which is neutered by lefties and sub. one behind sub mew is basically death fodder as it can not break the sub ever and useless versus a cming suicune. Its also pp stalled by pressure so mew will find itself struggling versus suicune if it chooses to stay in which is unlikely.

 

[Random Passerby]

Since there's so few checks, I grouped them together with the Counters. Vote for 2 counters this week.
Counter:
Gengar
Volcarona
Suicune
Alolan Marowak
Mega Latias
Ash Greninja
Hoopa-U
Chandelure
Heatran
CM Clefable

Ramses : Since you did not manage to finish your reservation within the allocated time limit, I will have to give it to david0895 . I appreciate the effort you put in but please try to be fair to other users when reserving mons.

 

[david0895]

Hoopa and Heatran

 

[ChrystalFalchion]

Volcarona and Clefable

 

[Hugooo]

Heatran and clefable

 

[Creator of Chaos]

Clefable and Ash Greninja.

Clefable sets up all over tauntless mew which lets face it in this meta mew can not afford to carry it since it either wants to block attacks while hazard/Status setting or Trying to sweep with mewnium (Which is very rare since there are much better Sweepers)

Ash Gren can reliably take any move from standard mew once sometimes twice and get a free Kill thus evolving it. All mew can really do is Wisp it and Switch out

 

[Jeffv]

Alolan Marowak and Clefable

 

[Cheryl.]

Ash-Greninja and Clefable

 

[TURBODERP]

Alolan Marowak (man I love that mon) and Hoopa Unbound (man I hate this mon)

 

[Random Passerby]

OK, thanks for the activity. I will count the votes when I am free.

The victim this week is Dual hazards Greninja.

Greninja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protean
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Spikes
- Toxic Spikes
- Taunt
- Ice Beam / Dark Pulse

When using a Focus Sash, Greninja is normally able to pressure the opponent with at least one layer of Spikes or Toxic Spikes per game. Taunt is used on this set to prevent Shift Gear Magearna and Mega Gyarados to boost their stats in front of Greninja. Ice Beam is nice to hit Defog users like Zapdos and Latios while Dark Pulse can be used against Mew and Latios.

When nominating checks / counters to this set, please focus more on how to prevent hazards from going up or remove the hazard as soon as possible since Greninja's main role is to lay hazards and then faint instead of attacking.

 

[Sultan]

Check: Mega Lopunny



Lopunny-Mega @ Lopunnite
Ability: Limber
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Return
- High Jump Kick
- Fake Out
- Ice Punch / Power-Up Punch

Outspeeds, and thanks to Fake Out, can break Greninja's sash without letting it get a single hazard up.

Calcs:
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Fake Out vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 93-111 (32.6 - 38.9%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Lopunny-Mega Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 237-280 (83.1 - 98.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

 

[Martin]

Diancie @ Diancite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 8 Atk / 248 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Diamond Storm
- Moonblast
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Earth Power / Stealth Rock

Mega Diancie does a really good job of shutting down Sash Greninja thanks to its access to Magic Bounce, especially when paired with something like Tapu Koko that can pick off Gren should its sash be broken. Diamond Storm chunks Gren, and as long as Diancie is in the back mega’d Gren has to play mindgames if it wants to get Spikes up (especially if it carries Dark Pulse).

 

[ChrystalFalchion]

Tapu Fini as a counter

Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Defog
- Taunt
- Nature's Madness
- Moonblast

Shrugs off Dark Pulse and Ice Beam, takes it down with Nature's Madness + Moonblast and can remove its hazards with Defog once Taunt has worn off.

252 SpA Protean Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 45-53 (13.1 - 15.4%) -- possibly the worst move ever
252 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 50-59 (14.5 - 17.2%) -- possible 9HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 SpA Tapu Fini Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 130-154 (45.6 - 54%) -- 44.1% chance to 2HKO Decent chance to OHKO after Nature's Madness

 

[david0895]

Mega Scizor as a counter

Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 248 HP / 120 Def / 124 SpD / 16 Spe
Impish Nature
- Defog
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Roost

It can enter on Dark Pulse without fearing the Toxic Spikes and then remove them or KO Greninja with U-turn

252 SpA Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Scizor-Mega: 111-132 (32.3 - 38.4%) -- 97.7% chance to 3HKO
0 Atk Scizor-Mega U-turn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 296-350 (103.8 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[GnralLao]

M-Sableye as a Counter

Sableye @ Sablenite
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Knock Off
- Will-O-Wisp
- Recover
- Protect

Pretty simple enough. M-Sableye bounces entry hazards and Taunts back at Greninja and isn't even 3HKOed by Dark Pulse or Ice Beam while it regains its HP back with Recover and slowly wears down Greninja with Knock Off. Protect can also come in very handy to scout (Turn 1) whether it's a regular Greninja or a Battle Bond one.

What Greninja does

252 SpA Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Sableye-Mega: 73-87 (24 - 28.7%) -- 97.2% chance to 4HKO
252 SpA Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Sableye-Mega: 82-97 (27 - 32%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

What M-Sableye does back

If Greninja has Ice Beam
0 Atk Sableye-Mega Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 127-150 (44.5 - 52.6%) -- 23.8% chance to 2HKO
0 Atk Sableye-Mega Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 84-100 (29.4 - 35%) -- 14.8% chance to 3HKO

If Greninja has Dark Pulse
0 Atk Sableye-Mega Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 63-75 (22.1 - 26.3%) -- 11.9% chance to 4HKO
0 Atk Sableye-Mega Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Greninja: 42-50 (14.7 - 17.5%) -- possible 6HKO

 

[Jordy]

reserving Tapu Koko

 

[Random Passerby]

Again, since this week we're doing the Hazards Game, it's pointless to do a Checks and Counters session. Just vote for your favourite answer to Greninja.

Mega Lopunny
Mega Diancie
Tapu Fini
Mega Sableye
Mega Scizor

 

[MANNAT]

Mega Sableye because it completely shuts down Greninja for the entire match without being pressured by it very much at all.

 

[david0895]

Fini because can be spammed to restart the misty terrain to avoid hazard status and remove them (Even Scizor can do this but I can't vote for myself)

 

[Jeffv]

M-Sableye

 

[Eclipse]

Mega Sab

 

[Jordy]

Mega Sableye.

 

[Akumeoy]

msab

 

[david0895]

For the new meta, there will be a new thread or we will continue to use this?
Also hoping that Naganadel will not be the first victim...