The problem with Swift Swimmers is that the Heavy Rain set by Primal Kyogre will dissipate when Ogre switches out, making it far less effective than when paired with normal Rain. The problem with normal Rain is that it gets trumped by Heavy Sun. You could make it work in theory, but its just not as effective as other forms of speed control such as Trick Room, Tailwind, or Thunder Wave.I was wondering, is any swift swimmer good?
Rain on its own isn't a very viable strategy anymore (R.I.P. My most effective playstyle) but Ludicolo isn't a terrible choice for teams that carry POgre as it makes for a good pressure with Fake Out neutralizing on pokemon since Swift Swim boost speed to make it go first and POgre gets a a free turn to do stuff as well as Grass Knot being pretty good against PDon dealing a chunk of damage (can't remember ATM) but overall can be replaced by something else in general since Ludicolo relies on POgre solelyI was wondering, is any swift swimmer good?
Please oh Please keep this core a secret... I though I was the only one realizing Yveltal is great..Some replays I've collected demonstrating how easy it is to support Mawile/Primal Groudon (my favorite core as of right now) and how amazing Smeargle/Sableye can be.
The team I used in those replays below.http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303799938
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303805337
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303806154
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303807274
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303809112
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303812631Description of the core below.This team centers around the Mawile+Pdon+Yveltal core and all the other mons on the team are engineered to show off their power. The Sableye can live Pdon Precipice Blades very frequently (99% is the most I've had it do, I might refine that spread to make sure), the Porygon2 spread lets me take a 2HKO from both Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse and Primal Groudon Precipice Blades, Yveltal hits a Life Orb number with HP, and the rest of the spreads are generic.
Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Play Rough
- Protect
Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Fire Punch
- Substitute
- Protect
Sableye @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Will-O-Wisp
- Foul Play
- Swagger
- Quash
Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
Level: 50
EVs: 244 HP / 12 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Void
- Magic Coat
- Follow Me
- Spiky Shield
Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Download
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpA / 164 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Tri Attack
- Foul Play
- Trick Room
- Recover
Yveltal @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
Level: 50
EVs: 220 HP / 36 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Foul Play
- Sucker Punch
- Tailwind
- Protect
These three provide amazing things for each other. Yveltal and Primal Groudon (to an extent) can beat other Primal Groudon for Mega Mawile, Mega Mawile and Primal Groudon can beat Xerneas easily for Yveltal, and Mega Mawile and Yveltal beat Mega Rayquaza and Primal Kyogre for Primal Groudon. Yveltal even provides a form of speed control for the other two in Tailwind which is something I still have yet to utilize on that specific team, but I have utilized on others. Mega Mawile also works under pretty much any environment, sneakily taking out Trick Room Primal Kyogre or Palkia, Sucker Punch KOing really frail fast mons like Thundurus, and many, many more things.
Not only do they perfectly beat each other's checks, but they can even beat their own checks with ease. I rarely struggle with this core because it's such an amazingly powerful one and this is probably, from what I've seen, the best core in VGC. It's so good that it's hard to try and innovate with this core lurking around because the rest of your team has to really, really stop this hard, and most cool mons are actually just outclassed by these three, imo. I would call this like a new THALK but that title has already gone to Primal Groudon+Xerneas+Mega Kangaskhan+Cresselia even though that loses to this core.
(This is completely off the point of this post but does anybody have like a good Yveltal they can give me because I lost my Pokemon Y ;_;)
Well think of it like this... It's almost as effective and more creative than M-Ray + Togekiss. Dark Void is annoying but you can effectively shut down 30% of kids at regional events who aren't competitive with it. It's a reliable failsafe and it is taking a lot of prediction for that leadset to work.I don't like see every battle with Smeargle + dangerous Pokémon. (Groudon-A, KyogreA, Xerneas, etc) :/
If 60% or more of people who play on PSLadder continues to use this dangerous Pokémon I think that metagame will stabilize in two-three months ahahWell think of it like this... It's almost as effective and more creative than M-Ray + Togekiss. Dark Void is annoying but you can effectively shut down 30% of kids at regional events who aren't competitive with it. It's a reliable failsafe and it is taking a lot of prediction for that leadset to work.
I feel you dude, that's the only reason I run Cresselia with Magic Coat. That thing is absolutely stupid (not insulting the player or tactic, just angry with the Poke. LOL sorry Smeargle). And it satisfies me that I had successes bouncing Dark Voids on low ladder with that.I just lost to a fucking +4 Evasion +2 Speed Smeargle that spammed Dark Void the entire match, and when it was done it wanted to redirect every attempt to take the game back that I tried. It was literally the most stupid game I had ever played.
If there's anything better than Mawile+Yveltal+Pdon it's easily Smeargle alone.
Also it's not creative at all it's literally just spamming Dark Void to infinity.
If 60% or more of people who play on PSLadder continues to use this dangerous Pokémon I think that metagame will stabilize in two-three months ahah
Ok, they are the first few days.. but I have already getting bored to see Smeargle scarf and company EVERYWHERE ahah
Good core!Some replays I've collected demonstrating how easy it is to support Mawile/Primal Groudon (my favorite core as of right now) and how amazing Smeargle/Sableye can be.
The team I used in those replays below.http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303799938
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303805337
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303806154
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303807274
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303809112
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc2016-303812631Description of the core below.This team centers around the Mawile+Pdon+Yveltal core and all the other mons on the team are engineered to show off their power. The Sableye can live Pdon Precipice Blades very frequently (99% is the most I've had it do, I might refine that spread to make sure), the Porygon2 spread lets me take a 2HKO from both Primal Kyogre Origin Pulse and Primal Groudon Precipice Blades, Yveltal hits a Life Orb number with HP, and the rest of the spreads are generic.
Mawile-Mega @ Mawilite
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Sucker Punch
- Play Rough
- Protect
Groudon-Primal @ Red Orb
Ability: Desolate Land
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Precipice Blades
- Fire Punch
- Substitute
- Protect
Sableye @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Will-O-Wisp
- Foul Play
- Swagger
- Quash
Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
Level: 50
EVs: 244 HP / 12 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Void
- Magic Coat
- Follow Me
- Spiky Shield
Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Download
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 92 SpA / 164 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Tri Attack
- Foul Play
- Trick Room
- Recover
Yveltal @ Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
Level: 50
EVs: 220 HP / 36 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Foul Play
- Sucker Punch
- Tailwind
- Protect
These three provide amazing things for each other. Yveltal and Primal Groudon (to an extent) can beat other Primal Groudon for Mega Mawile, Mega Mawile and Primal Groudon can beat Xerneas easily for Yveltal, and Mega Mawile and Yveltal beat Mega Rayquaza and Primal Kyogre for Primal Groudon. Yveltal even provides a form of speed control for the other two in Tailwind which is something I still have yet to utilize on that specific team, but I have utilized on others. Mega Mawile also works under pretty much any environment, sneakily taking out Trick Room Primal Kyogre or Palkia, Sucker Punch KOing really frail fast mons like Thundurus, and many, many more things.
Not only do they perfectly beat each other's checks, but they can even beat their own checks with ease. I rarely struggle with this core because it's such an amazingly powerful one and this is probably, from what I've seen, the best core in VGC. It's so good that it's hard to try and innovate with this core lurking around because the rest of your team has to really, really stop this hard, and most cool mons are actually just outclassed by these three, imo. I would call this like a new THALK but that title has already gone to Primal Groudon+Xerneas+Mega Kangaskhan+Cresselia even though that loses to this core.
(This is completely off the point of this post but does anybody have like a good Yveltal they can give me because I lost my Pokemon Y ;_;)
Don't know why but the entire meta reminds me of when Shaymin-S was OU. Bullshit everywhere....>Smeargle salt
>is skgaymory viable??? XD
VGC is truly dead
common, precipice blades or earth power/rock slide/coverage (usually fire-type)/protect is the standard set at the moment.How common is rock slide on pdon? I'm experimenting with Ho-Oh.
incoming Golduck as best VGC mon. Surf and Icy Wind. Cloud Nine. Insta-GGI've got this funny feeling that Mega Rayquaza and P-Groudon being allowed will be abused like heck - and that some Japanese kids will find a way past them, making the counter-Rayquaza-team the most popular all over Top 32.
A successful team in this metagame is one which can utilize its non-Uber-Pokémon in a meaningful way. Like, for instance, KO-ing or weakening the opposing Ubers to pave the way for their own Ubers. That, or supporting the Ubers to become even more fearsome. Follow Me/Rage Powder + Power Herb Xerneas springs to mind immediately. Either way, relying solely on the Ubers sounds like a plan that will only take you so far.
incoming Golduck as best VGC mon. Surf and Icy Wind. Cloud Nine. Insta-GG
EDIT:
252 SpA Golduck Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primal Groudon: 204-240 (98.5 - 115.9%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO Under Doubles
252+ Atk Primal Groudon Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Golduck: 109-130 (70.3 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
THIS IS NOT A JOKE