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Yeah, there are a lot of Magnemites and such, but I don't believe this is too relevant, since generic trainers aren't a challenge, so I don't think this factor should be taken in the listing. So, is this new tier really happening? If it is, maybe we should discuss the mons that should be moved...

Makes sense. Maybe I exaggerated a bit his late game.

Yeah, I was thinking about Earthquake being better for someone else in your party and all, but this argument can be used for Feraligatr as well. I believe you can get Return as many times you want in gen 2, you only need to go in another Sunday. I get that Quilava has really huge flaws, but to...

Last time I used Magmar was on a Silver run some years ago, so forgive me if I get some things wrong. I believe it comes at level 14-16 at Burned Tower, so it'll come kinda underleveled. Its special power is essentially the same as Typhlosion, but he has a bigger physical attack, comes with...

You made some fair points. 79 points in special attack is completely usable for sure, but only against favorable/neutral matchups with a level difference. In Clair's gym, for instance, my Feraligatr almost always is only 1 or 2 levels ahead of them and it has some problems trying to Ice Punch...

I know it's consensus that Totodile is good, but is it that good? I mean, I made a few runs with it and it was good, but not as good as it was said to be in the thread. I found its damage to be quite lacking in the late game. Having only 79 base special attack to deal with is not nice, though...