Chou Toshio
Over9000
RBY, the very first gen-- it presents a completely unique OU environment where there were less than 20 viable Pokemon. Pretty extreme when later statistically built OU gens would have an average of over 50 mons, and a gen like 7th has more like 80 that are good, and maybe over 100 with viable niches. A lot has changed-- but a lot has changed for those original 150 Kanto mons as well.
This is a thread to discuss how a "Kanto-Only" metagame would look, given 7th Gen mechanics, all items available, and all evolutions and forms of our original 151 friends would look like. What would the meta look like, and how would it differ from RBY's original meta?
Here are the assumptions shaping this theoretical limited metagame:
-The first 151 Pokemon are allowed
-All mons that evolve from, or evolve into the original 151 Pokemon are allowed (including Mega Evolutions)
-Alternate forms (such as Alolan) of the original 151 are also allowed.
-Items, Z-moves, all mechanics, are updated to Gen 7.
-Mewtwo is the only banned Pokemon (similar to RBY, except Mew is allowed because let's face it Mew would not be broken here)
-Clauses are identical to those of the Smogon RBY OU meta (So there are none of the modern rules on Baton Passing, etc.)
Compared to RBY, a lot of things get tossed on their heads. Venusaur outclasses Exeggcutor, and Tauros is basically an inferior Dodrio (not to mention Mega Kang!). But looking at how Mega Alakazam or Mega Slowbro would perform, and maybe things haven't changed so much for everyone. Unless your name is Charizard.
From a modern meta standpoint, it poses really interesting limits on the meta-- with Scizor and Steelix being the only defensive steel-types, Mega Gyarados being the only really good Dark-type (others include Umbreon, Persian-A, Raticate-A, /end), Machamp being the only really good Fighting-type-- makes you wonder if the two considerable Fairy-types, Clefable and Sylveon, are nearly as powerful as they otherwise would be with more dragon, dark, and fighting mons around. Psychics seem way more broken than in a modern meta, but way less than they were in RBY. With such limited selection of defensive mons, it makes you wonder if things like Z-Conversion Porygon-Z and Shell Smash Cloyster can be reined in nearly as much.
Which mons do you think would be dominant? Which would be common? Which kings of RBY would fail? By a quick look-over of the original 151 list, where RBY had less than 20 OU Mons, a 7th Gen Kanto might have 50 or more, and maybe as many as 70 mons with a considerable niche.
How do you think the meta would look?
This is a thread to discuss how a "Kanto-Only" metagame would look, given 7th Gen mechanics, all items available, and all evolutions and forms of our original 151 friends would look like. What would the meta look like, and how would it differ from RBY's original meta?
Here are the assumptions shaping this theoretical limited metagame:
-The first 151 Pokemon are allowed
-All mons that evolve from, or evolve into the original 151 Pokemon are allowed (including Mega Evolutions)
-Alternate forms (such as Alolan) of the original 151 are also allowed.
-Items, Z-moves, all mechanics, are updated to Gen 7.
-Mewtwo is the only banned Pokemon (similar to RBY, except Mew is allowed because let's face it Mew would not be broken here)
-Clauses are identical to those of the Smogon RBY OU meta (So there are none of the modern rules on Baton Passing, etc.)
Compared to RBY, a lot of things get tossed on their heads. Venusaur outclasses Exeggcutor, and Tauros is basically an inferior Dodrio (not to mention Mega Kang!). But looking at how Mega Alakazam or Mega Slowbro would perform, and maybe things haven't changed so much for everyone. Unless your name is Charizard.
From a modern meta standpoint, it poses really interesting limits on the meta-- with Scizor and Steelix being the only defensive steel-types, Mega Gyarados being the only really good Dark-type (others include Umbreon, Persian-A, Raticate-A, /end), Machamp being the only really good Fighting-type-- makes you wonder if the two considerable Fairy-types, Clefable and Sylveon, are nearly as powerful as they otherwise would be with more dragon, dark, and fighting mons around. Psychics seem way more broken than in a modern meta, but way less than they were in RBY. With such limited selection of defensive mons, it makes you wonder if things like Z-Conversion Porygon-Z and Shell Smash Cloyster can be reined in nearly as much.
Which mons do you think would be dominant? Which would be common? Which kings of RBY would fail? By a quick look-over of the original 151 list, where RBY had less than 20 OU Mons, a 7th Gen Kanto might have 50 or more, and maybe as many as 70 mons with a considerable niche.
How do you think the meta would look?
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