It doesn’t matter.
Not enough people were passionate enough to actually ladder and vote to ban Kingambit. If Kingambit was that much of a problem you would see more people bother to ladder and vote it out.
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Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion v3
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Not enough people were passionate enough to actually ladder and vote to ban Kingambit. If Kingambit was that much of a problem you would see more people bother to ladder and vote it out.
way to ruin my joke with your fancy tricksy tactics like "voting the correct way" and "following tiering policy". i'll get you with one someday, mr. inator
gg
Salamence, Dragapult, Roaring Moon, Iron Moth, Cinderace
Somebody told me I should try using Rillaboom and Sneasler right now, but I was wondering how they would match up against the likes of Ogerpon-Hearthflame, Ogerpon-Wellspring and Blood Moon Ursaluna, among other threats, and I wanted to ask you guys.
I tried looking up their respective sets on the Smogon Strategy Pokédex :
Rillaboom @ Terrain Extender
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Knock Off/Drain Punch? (not sure which one's the best)
- U-turn
- Grassy Glide (added in over Drain Punch/Knock Off)
Sneasler @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Unburden
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Dire Claw
- Tera Blast
On the one hand, Rillaboom's Grassy Glide can help revenge KO Ogerpon-Wellspring, though it only has an 81.3% chance to OHKO Wellspring-Tera at full health. I imagine that it would also help revenge KO Walking Wake, Iron Valiant, and Proto Speed Great Tusk (haven't done the calcs yet).
On the other hand, Sneasler with Tera Blast Ground would have a solid option to OHKO Ogerpon-Hearthflame. However, it only has a 68.8% chance to OHKO zero defensive investment Gholdengo, and is only able to 2HKO Slowking-Galar and Tera Poison Blood Moon Ursaluna. That makes it reliant on SD/hazards/teammates to truly clean up.
Do you guys think this core could be decent right now? Also, which mons could go well alongside Rilla and Sneas?
I tried looking up their respective sets on the Smogon Strategy Pokédex :
Rillaboom @ Terrain Extender
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 252 Atk / 52 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Wood Hammer
- Knock Off/Drain Punch? (not sure which one's the best)
- U-turn
- Grassy Glide (added in over Drain Punch/Knock Off)
Sneasler @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Unburden
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Close Combat
- Dire Claw
- Tera Blast
On the one hand, Rillaboom's Grassy Glide can help revenge KO Ogerpon-Wellspring, though it only has an 81.3% chance to OHKO Wellspring-Tera at full health. I imagine that it would also help revenge KO Walking Wake, Iron Valiant, and Proto Speed Great Tusk (haven't done the calcs yet).
On the other hand, Sneasler with Tera Blast Ground would have a solid option to OHKO Ogerpon-Hearthflame. However, it only has a 68.8% chance to OHKO zero defensive investment Gholdengo, and is only able to 2HKO Slowking-Galar and Tera Poison Blood Moon Ursaluna. That makes it reliant on SD/hazards/teammates to truly clean up.
Do you guys think this core could be decent right now? Also, which mons could go well alongside Rilla and Sneas?
Ogerpon-Hearthflame is banned from SV OU: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/ogerpon-hearthflame-is-banned-from-sv-ou.3728312/
Hearthflame teaches the higher fidelity that negates resists and raises rocks. She too concludes that all is well. This metagame now without a switchin seems to her neither sterile nor fertile. Each Ivy of that cudgel, each sword of this dance full of vigor, alone forms a world. The struggle itself to the heights is enough to fill her heart. One must imagine Firepon happy in Ubers.
Good ban IMO. Mon was extremely obnoxious and took Sun into an untenable level of strength. Less versatile than wellspring, but what it did well, it did way too well. Also moldbreaker made potential checks like Heatran jokes.
Meanwhile rain wellspring Ogrepon kinda counters itself in a funny way.
Meanwhile rain wellspring Ogrepon kinda counters itself in a funny way.
There are no more quickbans on the horizon. We are pivoting to public suspects at this point in time. One is being planned for the near future currently!
good riddance, ogerpon-sillyname. this bit is over and i will call her normal names from now on
Lemme guess, Manaphy, right?
Manaphy or Waterpon probably. People ignored the latter a bit just because of how ridiculous Firepon is.
Goodbye mini fire Zacian, or maybe even better Zacian. Grass/Fire was a unique and cool typing
i don't think they'd move on waterpon this quickly unless it got way higher survey results than i expect it to. i agree that she has a chance of becoming overbearing now that the clearly better firepon is out of the picture, but i think manaphy is a much more obvious thing that needs dealing with at the moment
Manaphy or Bloodmoon. Personally prefer the latter
I actually didn't expect this to happen funny enough
But LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO!!! All the homies celebrating rn
Bloodmoon being in suspect range surprises me. The raw power is ridiculous, no doubt, but he's so slow and his SpDef is so low that I feel like it never reaches a point that it just takes over the game. Vacuum Wave is cool but as non-STAB it is not a serious option to bail you out against faster mons not named Kingambit.
GameFreak had to drop one of the sickest Pokemon in years in Scovillain and it's so mid it hurts.
It's a mon that completely dominates balance and needs to be put on a timer to wear down because it has no actual defensive counterplay. It's underwhelming to many because it's shaky into offense, but it has such a chokehold over any team that wants a defensive backbone that it definitely deserves a suspect imo
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