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Does wide guard block dark void?
Does Magic Bounce protect your whole side or just the user?Nope :P
Does wide guard block dark void?
Does Magic Bounce protect your whole side or just the user?Nope :P
Just the user, but then you can end up in a situation where everything's asleep on both sides except the magic bouncer :DDoes Magic Bounce protect your whole side or just the user?
wide guard aegi, follow me togekiss, whimsicott, scarf kyogre, dunno what else. I'm thinking palkia maybe? Or my own xern. And a mega. Maybe my azumarill too, it completely destroys all the random legendary spamming passerby teams. Haven't really thought much about it yet!What are you guys thinking of in terms of team line-up so far? I had something all ready for Rotations but Trollfreak struck again so that fell through :/ At the moment I'm looking at Mewtwo Y/Mega Venusaur/Heatran/Klefki/Ludicolo/Arceus-Normal.
I don't think so I haven't even seen a Chansey or a Clefable and I battled lots of people! :PFor those who practiced, what big threats have you guys encountered so far besides the omnipresent Darkrai and Kyogre?
Do you guys think minimize chansey or clefable will be a thing at the tournament?
I've never struggled with Darkrai as I lead quite often with Safeguard Klefki, which can also set up screens and Thunder Wave to cripple Kyogre, Xerneas, and Talonflame, some other popular threats I've encountered.For those who practiced, what big threats have you guys encountered so far besides the omnipresent Darkrai and Kyogre?
Yeah, Kfleki is a pretty good counter but what partner do you run with it? I have encountered several darkrai leads and some even have an unerve Persian partner which could stop Kfleki with Fake out.I've never struggled with Darkrai as I lead quite often with Safeguard Klefki, which can also set up screens and Thunder Wave to cripple Kyogre, Xerneas, and Talonflame, some other popular threats I've encountered.
I haven't had tons of run-ins with partner Fake Out users. I tend to partner it with Charizard-Y so I can start Fire Blasting from the start, usually blasting the Darkrai in question. I'm not sure at the moment how I would handle a Darkrai lead with a Fake Out user.. something with priority, I imagine. Or Fake Out of its own.Yeah, Kfleki is a pretty good counter but what partner do you run with it? I have encountered several darkrai leads and some even have an unerve Persian partner which could stop Kfleki with Fake out.
double protect first turn?I haven't had tons of run-ins with partner Fake Out users. I tend to partner it with Charizard-Y so I can start Fire Blasting from the start, usually blasting the Darkrai in question. I'm not sure at the moment how I would handle a Darkrai lead with a Fake Out user.. something with priority, I imagine. Or Fake Out of its own.
most likely but that sacrifices a crucial spot on both Klefki (personally) given its job is to set dual screens, cripple, and safeguard against dark void.double protect first turn?
EVs need a lot of work obviously but otherwise it seems like an OK start. Lead with shaymin-s against darkrai and sub first turn while you have either klefki or whimsicott out on the side since they commonly have safeguard and will be fakeout bait. Kyogre's just kinda thrown on as filler, dunno what other legendary to use since I don't have much experience with ubers. GeoXern maybe? I have a pentaperfect modest one I got from a mass-clone givaway once.Shaymin-Sky @ Wide Lens
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Air Slash
- Seed Flare
- Substitute
- Protect
Kyogre @ Lum Berry
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Water Spout
- Ice Beam
- Thunder
- Protect
Klefki @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 44 Def / 212 SpD
Calm Nature
- Thunder Wave
- Foul Play
- Swagger
- Substitute
Togekiss @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 4 SpA / 132 SpD
Calm Nature
- Air Slash
- Follow Me
- Thunder Wave
- Roost
Aerodactyl @ Aerodactylite
Ability: Unnerve
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Sky Drop
- Wide Guard
- Earthquake
Whimsicott @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Taunt
- Encore
- Swagger
- Grass Knot
IIRC, Shaymin-S can't be boxed. He'll always revert to normal formThis tournament's gonna be a mess so I can't be assed making a decent team, so instead I'll go full JPN and make a hax abuse team
EVs need a lot of work obviously but otherwise it seems like an OK start. Lead with shaymin-s against darkrai and sub first turn while you have either klefki or whimsicott out on the side since they commonly have safeguard and will be fakeout bait. Kyogre's just kinda thrown on as filler, dunno what other legendary to use since I don't have much experience with ubers. GeoXern maybe? I have a pentaperfect modest one I got from a mass-clone givaway once.
kinda want to fit my azumarill or something else strong on there somewhere though as cleanup and to take advantage of all the flinching and confusion and paralysis going on
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/battleoflegends-141527462
I'll have to try this, if it's true I'll probably have to start my team over from scratch :\IIRC, Shaymin-S can't be boxed. He'll always revert to normal form
Thanks for the reply. :) I see what you mean about match-ups, lol:I would use Kyurem-B. It has an excellent match-up vs all the base 90 ubers except for the bulkiest of Dialga (outrunning most with a neutral nature and not being walled by Groudon like Zekrom is). Idk what the calcs look like but it can surely put a decent chunk into Xerneas if it thinks it can set up on you. The only downside is that people overprepared for Darkrai may find it easy to exploit weaknesses. If you have a problem with that or you prefer to run Tailwind, Zekrom is a better choice.
For the second, perhaps Xerneas for a reliable Fairy type. My theorymoning prefers Arceus Fairy but Xerneas is also a great choice.
Just to elaborate, Kyurem-B should be running something along the lines of Draco Meteor / Fusion Bolt / Earth Power / Ice Beam. Draco Meteor is Kyurem-B's best nuke in doubles and nabs all kinds of OHKOs on Dragons so I won't bother running those calcs. There are alterations to be made of course - you can run Dragon Claw over Ice Beam if you don't care about Groudon an incredible amount. I don't recommend it unless the rest of your team is prepared for it since calcs are pretty appealing:Thanks for the reply. :) I see what you mean about match-ups, lol:
Running dragon claw over outrage, otherwise standard PS damage calc sets:
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-B Fusion Bolt vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Kyogre: 292-344 (85.3 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
SpA Teravolt Kyurem-B Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Groudon: 248-294 (61.3 - 72.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Teravolt Kyurem-B Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Giratina: 272-324 (53.9 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Reshiram and zekrom're a challenge due to no outrage; but I guess that's what life orb is for:
252 Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Reshiram: 416-494 (121.9 - 144.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Dragon Claw vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zekrom: 354-421 (103.8 - 123.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
And you're right: dialga's a pain:
252+ SpA Dialga Draco Meteor vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Kyurem-B: 630-744 (161.1 - 190.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
4 SpA Life Orb Teravolt Kyurem-B Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Dialga: 198-234 (49 - 57.9%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
I'll probably think about it for a little longer either way. :)
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What are some non-restricted pokemon people are thinking of bringing on their team? I know that I'm going to bring mega kangaskhan, for example. I know everybody and their dog uses mega kang, but I've found it to be a reliable pokemon that I'm comfortable with using in doubles, so I keep using it, lol. I'm also thinking about bringing either heatran or scizor as a dedicated fairy check. What do you guys think?
Um, this is a pretty big deal as well as the ability to run a reliable mixed set. I suggest you look up VGC 2010 videos which is the last time ubers have been allowed in a Gamefreak doubles tier. To say Kyogre was dominant is an understatement, though now there are more checks ready to shine. Also Fire isn't that great all things considered. Ferrothorn and Scizor (and maybe Mawile now?) are commonly paired with rain. Also it's fairly helpless versus Xerneas and that one gimmick Chansey you will probably see, compared to "at least I can try for a 2HKO". I will absolutely agree though that one of its major pluses is rendered useless in doubles (Outrage).It misses out on Fusion Bolt for Ogre