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In an effort to maintain transparency and keep the community up-to-date on our discussions we have decided we'll be releasing logs and summaries from the council chat on the LC Discord server. These will be posted on a fluctuating basis depending on the state of the metagame, but we'll give an approximate date for when the next minutes will be posted.
I don't have the entire set of logs for the first edition due to the sheer amount of them, but I wanted to provide a summary of the recent discussions. A snippet of logs will be provided below.
- Potential suspects and overall issues with the metagame have been discussed at length. The major issues brought up were Sun, Cutiefly, Vullaby, Munchlax, Drifloon, and Arena Trap. I will break down the council's feelings on each.
- Opinions on Sun are mixed. Some members feel that Sun in its current state is still a problem. Those feeling that way cite the potency of Oddish as a Sun sweeper combined with Arena Trap removing common checks. Opponents of this feel that Arena Trap is the true culprit of Sun's power and not the core strategy itself. Regardless, with Pokemon HOME arriving this month it is expected that Vulpix will be banned to coincide with Bulbasaur's release, assuming HOME allows us to transfer Pokemon as expected.
- Cutiefly has been brought up by name but not given a lot of discussion, though associated discussion cites Sticky Web strategies as being a future issue as well as it own ability to set up and sweep.
- Vullaby was mentioned a few times as a continued problem, as it continues to have strong potency as a breaker in addition to its sweeping abilities with its Nasty Plot set. Some council members responded to this by saying that removing Vullaby from the metagame isn't solving the problem and would have the least impact compared to other possible suspects.
- Munchlax was discussed very early on but over time the overall opinion shifted. Originally it was felt to be a very limiting presence, forcing undesirable tech choices in order to combat, but now it is seen as more manageable and more of a symptom of the current metagame rather than being a core problem.
- Despite surviving the suspect, the majority of the council feels Drifloon is still one of the largest issues in the metagame and is an overall detriment to it. With that in mind, the feeling is similar to Vulpix, that with the release of Pokemon HOME, Drifloon will be given its moveset back (Recycle) and that it will be seen as quickban-worthy again.
- Arena Trap has been the most discussed issue of any listed here. It is frequently sighted as the core issue affecting the rest of the metagame. It has been proposed that strategies such as Sun, Cutiefly, Vullaby, etc. are much stronger than they should be because of the unparalleled support of Arena Trap. A suspect for Arena Trap is very likely in the coming weeks based on increased support for it. Included here are some logs from recent discussion: https://pastebin.com/wizy36UJ
- We discussed the effect Pokemon HOME would have on our metagame. The feeling within Council is that if HOME allows us to transfer Galar Dex Pokemon with their previous movesets available (barring unavailable moves like Hidden Power, etc.) then this will give Drifloon access to Recycle, making it quickban-worthy. If Pokemon programmed in the game but currently unreleased become available, this would give us Bulbasaur, prompting a change in our original approach to limiting Sun, and we would more than likely ban Vulpix in place of Cherubi. Pokemon HOME has also become a burden on us because some of us feel like running a suspect now would be risky given that it could drop at any moment and completely change our meta, thus making our suspect flawed.
- Though not directly related to metagame, the council also discussed our threshold for quickbanning and autobanning. We agreed that a topic would only be quickbanned if at least 80% of the council votes in favour of it, and a Pokemon would only be autobanned if the entire council agrees to it before quickban discussions begin.
- We also talked about the creation of this thread and who would be responsible for updating it. I agreed to be that person.
The next council minutes will be posted within the next three weeks at the latest.
I don't have the entire set of logs for the first edition due to the sheer amount of them, but I wanted to provide a summary of the recent discussions. A snippet of logs will be provided below.
- Potential suspects and overall issues with the metagame have been discussed at length. The major issues brought up were Sun, Cutiefly, Vullaby, Munchlax, Drifloon, and Arena Trap. I will break down the council's feelings on each.
- Opinions on Sun are mixed. Some members feel that Sun in its current state is still a problem. Those feeling that way cite the potency of Oddish as a Sun sweeper combined with Arena Trap removing common checks. Opponents of this feel that Arena Trap is the true culprit of Sun's power and not the core strategy itself. Regardless, with Pokemon HOME arriving this month it is expected that Vulpix will be banned to coincide with Bulbasaur's release, assuming HOME allows us to transfer Pokemon as expected.
- Cutiefly has been brought up by name but not given a lot of discussion, though associated discussion cites Sticky Web strategies as being a future issue as well as it own ability to set up and sweep.
- Vullaby was mentioned a few times as a continued problem, as it continues to have strong potency as a breaker in addition to its sweeping abilities with its Nasty Plot set. Some council members responded to this by saying that removing Vullaby from the metagame isn't solving the problem and would have the least impact compared to other possible suspects.
- Munchlax was discussed very early on but over time the overall opinion shifted. Originally it was felt to be a very limiting presence, forcing undesirable tech choices in order to combat, but now it is seen as more manageable and more of a symptom of the current metagame rather than being a core problem.
- Despite surviving the suspect, the majority of the council feels Drifloon is still one of the largest issues in the metagame and is an overall detriment to it. With that in mind, the feeling is similar to Vulpix, that with the release of Pokemon HOME, Drifloon will be given its moveset back (Recycle) and that it will be seen as quickban-worthy again.
- Arena Trap has been the most discussed issue of any listed here. It is frequently sighted as the core issue affecting the rest of the metagame. It has been proposed that strategies such as Sun, Cutiefly, Vullaby, etc. are much stronger than they should be because of the unparalleled support of Arena Trap. A suspect for Arena Trap is very likely in the coming weeks based on increased support for it. Included here are some logs from recent discussion: https://pastebin.com/wizy36UJ
- We discussed the effect Pokemon HOME would have on our metagame. The feeling within Council is that if HOME allows us to transfer Galar Dex Pokemon with their previous movesets available (barring unavailable moves like Hidden Power, etc.) then this will give Drifloon access to Recycle, making it quickban-worthy. If Pokemon programmed in the game but currently unreleased become available, this would give us Bulbasaur, prompting a change in our original approach to limiting Sun, and we would more than likely ban Vulpix in place of Cherubi. Pokemon HOME has also become a burden on us because some of us feel like running a suspect now would be risky given that it could drop at any moment and completely change our meta, thus making our suspect flawed.
- Though not directly related to metagame, the council also discussed our threshold for quickbanning and autobanning. We agreed that a topic would only be quickbanned if at least 80% of the council votes in favour of it, and a Pokemon would only be autobanned if the entire council agrees to it before quickban discussions begin.
- We also talked about the creation of this thread and who would be responsible for updating it. I agreed to be that person.
The next council minutes will be posted within the next three weeks at the latest.
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