Check, I don't get why you are worked up about DUU. If it was excluded would your experience in DPL be different? No.Second off: DUU in DPL
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People aren't saying that paying to have the managers play should be removed. They are instead saying it's not as fair because some of the managers are a huge bargain at 10K price, while others might not be. Increasing the manager price makes the draft more fair to weaker player managers.As for managers pricing discussion I see a lot of theory talk.
Go back to last year or the year before and point out examples on how the 10k price had negative impact on the tour. I'll wait for some evidence before you convince me that there is a problem that requires a change.
Also I have doubts that managers will forgo drafting themselves unless you push the price to over 20k in which case I would expect no manager to buy themselves.
If anything higher manager costs leads to lower budget going into the draft and consequently less competitive bidding
You using Yoda as your example is exactly what checkmater was getting at. Like dont get me wrong, he performed well but in a relatively weaker field than what would be possible outside of DPL. In clius's tour directly after DPL, much stronger players like Stax and Memoric had dominating runs over the supposed DUU mains playing in DPL. These guys were unable to play in DUU during DPL because they were valued in other areas. Like he stated having stronger players significantly helped develop the meta when they were actually a part of it, so he doesnt believe DPL will help DUU as much as its own separate tourCheck, I don't get why you are worked up about DUU. If it was excluded would your experience in DPL be different? No.
But there are absolutely enough people who want to play DUU, and it would be a huge bummer for them if you get your way.
And about managers starting worst players in DUU is not true, at least for me.
Yoda was a 14k pick. Matame and Blueskiddo were 3 and 4k respectively with 0 notable tour results. The outcome was winning records for all of them. Who knows what would have happened to the hippos if I didn't have Yoda going 4-1 in DUU. He may have lost in DOU and matame may have lost in DUU.
Good managers will start the player who is most passionate about DUU in that slot. And if they are relatively bad a good team will work with them.
DUU was unexplored last year. In hindsight it was exciting to watch and sparked major interest in the meta. I see no downside to including it.
What your post says is why DUU won't develop in DPL.
You didn't not make an argument that explains how DUU has a negative impact on the tour and the participants.
There was a pretty big negative impact with the 10k pricepoint(positive for me and my team but negative for the most of you). The Shitposters and Ancients were pretty much living in a separate world during DPL and a lot of people realized that Week 0 right after the draft.As for managers pricing discussion I see a lot of theory talk.
Go back to last year or the year before and point out examples on how the 10k price had negative impact on the tour. I'll wait for some evidence before you convince me that there is a problem that requires a change.
Also I have doubts that managers will forgo drafting themselves unless you push the price to over 20k in which case I would expect no manager to buy themselves.
If anything higher manager costs leads to lower budget going into the draft and consequently less competitive bidding
Even not on the 'level of SPL', in seasonals no one consistently ends up in top 4 (except stax)I think it speaks a lot to the strength of the field that our best players record-wise had 6 wins each, nobody truly dominated the field or set themselves apart and shows that our tier is ripe with a ton of talent
What no. I don't play DOU anymore but I don't agree with not including BW. I believe BW was when doubles became an official tier (throwback to when it was an om xd) and taking it away from the lineup just isn't right. Using your logic, should tours like SPL also exclude old gens because they're "old school"? There's plenty of players that would sign up to play BW DOU, and either 3 / 2 / 1 or 4 / 1 / 1 works. Now, there's still time for discussion on that but I think that the majority of the current playerbase would agree to keep BW DOU in the lineup.4 SM DOU / 2 ORAS DOU
Dont add BW, its an old school.
Even though a lot of players from the BW era are done, there are lots of players I know who still love the tier. I, for one, never participated in the BW era, but I would jump at the chance to play it in this DPL. BW is loved by by many, including those who never got to play it in their prime. Also, it is very possible for players not active in the BW era to build for and play the meta, even without a teammate who was. I am sure users like Stratos would enjoy helping out DPL players in testing and building for it, despite the fact that they cannot or do not participate anymore.4 SM DOU / 2 ORAS DOU
Dont add BW, its an old school.