In Battle Spot Double, if I want to speed creep my Ludicolo, what Speed tier should I speed creep. I'm asking for both in rain and outside of rain.
Doubles is not my main tier so we should wait for doubles player such as
Demantoid , but imo Ludicolo should run max speed for one main reason: it's already slow, and it needs as much speed as it can, because even with rain up it can't outspeed certain mons. I'll list some speed benchmarks below.
Max Speed Modest,
244 speed in rain: it outspeeds scarf base 95 (like Tapu Lele) by 1 point, being outsped by +1 base 100 (such as Charizard if it uses DD or FCharge), Scarf Nihilego or obviously everything faster.
Max Speed Timid,
268 speed in rain: outspeeds Scarf Jolly Kartana (255) , Scarf Jolly Garchomp (253) and speed ties with scarf base 110 (i'm not sure if scarf Ninetales-A is a thing in doubles, but it outspeeds it). It's outsped by +1 Mega Salamence.
Outside of the rain you hit 122 speed with max evs modest nature, and 134 speed with a timid nature. This means that a Modest nature would not be enough to outspeed max speed base 60 (123).
Anyway, if you don't want to use max speed, here are some other samples:
- Modest, 36 EVs in speed (190 speed), outspeeds base 120.
- Modest, 180 EVs (226), outspeeds Pheromosa
- Timid, 100 EVs (226)
- Timid, 140 EVs (236), outspeeds Scarf Jolly Landorus
- Modest, 220 EVs (236)
- Modest, 84 EVs (201), outspeeds base 130
- Timid, 12 EVs (201)