Dream Eater? I think you're just lower in the ladder x_xI'm seeing lot's of Dream Eater Substitute Darkrai's why? Did someone like post a really good team with that set or am I just going crazy?
@Kefka Palazzo™ : he was talking about SubDarkrai, not the move dream eater I guess.
Lmao, dream eater darkrai.dream eater makes perfect sense on darkrai, I mean it hits all the fighting pokemon in the teir for super effective damage! lol.....
Or maybe people didn't use it as much because of team preview? Team preview really hurt Deoxys-s. =/Deoxys-S was always very good in Ubers! But just because he was OU(and pretty low in OU some months) most Uber players(and the skill of the average player in ubers is not that good)thouth that it wasn't good in Ubers...
But now that he is Uber, once more, everyone will start using him again,as they realize how good he is at doing its job!
Its always been (and always will be, LO Deoxys is doing it wrong in Ubers) and always will be a suicide lead, so unless they decide to lead with Thundurus (and Darkrai I suppose, although you still get one hazard/ screen), it doesn't really matter for the Deoxys user what the opponent does with the Team Preview knowledge.Or maybe people didn't use it as much because of team preview? Team preview really hurt Deoxys-s. =/
Yeah, but because of team preview, you can more easily counter Deoxys-s unlike the previous generation where you actually had to switch out to counter it or something if your lead wasn't able to stop it from getting a lot of hazards.Its always been (and always will be, LO Deoxys is doing it wrong in Ubers) and always will be a suicide lead, so unless they decide to lead with Thundurus (and Darkrai I suppose, although you still get one hazard/ screen), it doesn't really matter for the Deoxys user what the opponent does with the Team Preview knowledge.
Priority Taunt, bait it into Taunting you as you attack / U-turn to Pokemon with priority move / can Trick it a choice item, Scarf Darkrai / Shaymin-S, Magic Coat, Magic Bounce, stuff like Giratina-O's Shadow Sneak can 2HKO in return for one layer of hazards.You still can't stop Deoxys from getting alot of hazards, the only methods are a faster Taunt, Skymin's Air Slash, and Magic Coat, which seem pretty lead-specialized in my opinion.
I've used all but Ice Arceus (lol who the fuck uses this extensively) extensively. Shaymin-S is an annoying bugger to face especially SubSeed variants if 2 layers of Toxic Spikes are down. Air Slash really has a 90% flinch rate and you will get Seeded and will have your HP drained thanks to T Spikes and Leech Seed. Being SR weak kinda sucks but it still manages to be a dick. Pretty the only thing which check it are bulky steel types like Steelceus and Dialga who can phaze it away and resist both its STABs. Scarf is too weak while Specs just doesnt cut it in terms of power with stuff like Kyogre roaming about imo.So by this point I've used all the common Ubers, as well as some of the more uncommon ones. The following are the ones I'm still curious about, but haven't used:
Shaymin-S
Thundurus
Ice Arceus
Electric Arceus
I have played against a few of the former two. Shaymin-S is nonsense if it gets perma flinches, but quite manageable if it doesn't. Thundurus doesn't seem to do anything. Priority Taunt is great, the strongest Thunder in the game is appealing too, but its SpA isn't strong and it doesn't get Dark Void. Or Tailwind, for that matter. The remaining two Arceus formes I have never seen before. Ice Arceus presumably has serious trouble with its lack of resistances and weakness to Stealth Rock, but Electric Arceus being completely extinct doesn't make sense.
Anyone with extensive experience with these four? What goes well with them, and why?
Use it with Wobbuffet?If you can set up Iceus its probably good, but that can be said about just about any other Arceus-type.