That's exactly the point of a revenge killer ._.
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Haxorus
- Thread starter R.B.G.
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So I've been seeing this guy pop up everywhere recently...what happened to all the
(apologize for the caps, but its to get my point across)
"ITS TO SLOW, IT SUCKS, IT HAS TERRIBLE DEFENSES, IT DIES TO ANYTHING!11!"
And yet now I'm seeing it everywhere...
(apologize for the caps, but its to get my point across)
"ITS TO SLOW, IT SUCKS, IT HAS TERRIBLE DEFENSES, IT DIES TO ANYTHING!11!"
And yet now I'm seeing it everywhere...
more like the CBset
i still don't like the CSset
:/
CB set hits like a fucking truck -_-;
Garchomp outclassing it and now being gone is another reason i believe, as its still a hard-hitting Dragon type, although the 5 point speed difference between him and Chomp and the fact that he doesn't have Sand Veil means he probably isn't going to be nominated for a ban anytime soon.
I miss using this WITH Chomp! I could kill 3-4 Pokemon every game with them!
cbhax+cschomp?
Yes! Get rid of Skarmory and rip open the opponent!
I still think Haxorus does Taunt+SD stallbreaking the best. Give it Lum to safeguard against Scald, HP, and enough speed to outspeed a good amount of bulky offense, and have fun from there.
Haxorus @ Lum Berry/Leftovers
232 HP/144 Atk/132 Spe
Adamant / Mold Breaker
Taunt
Swords Dance/Dragon Dance
Outrage
Earthquake
Stall quakes in fear at this thing. Lum lets it switch in to a Toxic/Thunder Wave/Wisp and then Taunt as it tries to status you again, and it's also good insurance vs. Scald. Expressly anti-stall, since it sacrifices speed for the ability to set up vs. weaker attacks. Outspeeds +Spe 70s, though less speed and more defense isn't a bad idea. Taunt+DD should use the EVs 232 HP/ 200 Atk/ 76Spe to outspeed 120s at +1 and scarfed 100s at +2.
Haxorus @ Lum Berry/Leftovers
232 HP/144 Atk/132 Spe
Adamant / Mold Breaker
Taunt
Swords Dance/Dragon Dance
Outrage
Earthquake
Stall quakes in fear at this thing. Lum lets it switch in to a Toxic/Thunder Wave/Wisp and then Taunt as it tries to status you again, and it's also good insurance vs. Scald. Expressly anti-stall, since it sacrifices speed for the ability to set up vs. weaker attacks. Outspeeds +Spe 70s, though less speed and more defense isn't a bad idea. Taunt+DD should use the EVs 232 HP/ 200 Atk/ 76Spe to outspeed 120s at +1 and scarfed 100s at +2.
Speaking of anti-stall, I wonder if Double Dance Haxorus would work? With Dragon Fang and Adamant Nature, +2 Outrage can 2HKO Skarmory with SR up. After Skarmory falls to the initial SD onslaught, Haxorus could come in mid/late-game and set up DD to sweep.
The only pokemon that would still give Haxorus issues would be Ferrothorn, who can wear it down with powerful STAB Gyro Balls, Leech Seed + Protect + Iron Barbs, or Thunder Wave.
The only pokemon that would still give Haxorus issues would be Ferrothorn, who can wear it down with powerful STAB Gyro Balls, Leech Seed + Protect + Iron Barbs, or Thunder Wave.
skarmory usually sets up 1 layer of spikes, then he switches out if he sees he takes so much damage...
and lets say he switches out.
what in the world is gunna take a +2 outrage?
ferrothorn? 2HKOED?
heatran? Ohkoed
scizor? Ohkoed
bronzong is 2hkoed
gliscor is ohkoed
jirachi is 2hkoed i think.
metagros.... 2hkoed i think.
if skarmory out of all steels is 2hkoedby outrage, what kind of a steel would switch in?
what in the world is gunna take a +2 outrage?
ferrothorn? 2HKOED?
heatran? Ohkoed
scizor? Ohkoed
bronzong is 2hkoed
gliscor is ohkoed
jirachi is 2hkoed i think.
metagros.... 2hkoed i think.
if skarmory out of all steels is 2hkoedby outrage, what kind of a steel would switch in?
i actually loved running cbhax + sdyachechomp + mag
well...it was a very common combo anyways
not sure about cb + sdyache but yeah
This is exactly what I came to this thread to ask about.
I normally don't use Haxorus, but I decided to take Earthworm's World Cup team for a spin on the PO Server (Only playing there until Smogon updates Healing Wish) and I knew all his spreads except his Haxorus' so I assumed it was Dragon Dance. As I'm going through the motions to make a standard Dragon Dance set, I start thinking about Brick Break and how little Haxorus needs it and I thought "Why do I have to choose between Speed and Power when he can Double Dance? Brick Break has no use other than hurting Balloon Heatran/Excadrill and Ferrothorn and, even at +2, Ferro's only 2HKO'd by Brick Break which EQ already does. Why waste that moveslot?"
I don't know if it's common as I've never seen a Double Dancing Haxorus but so far, it's working really well. Like far better than any other time I've tried Haxorus. Run into Stall? Swords Dance. All-out Offense? Dragon Up!™
Is there a reason this isn't a common thing or is it just that most teams benefit more from the Choice Sets?
Oh, I used Double Dance Haxorus back then. It was relatively cool, though the official Haxorus analysis didn't take it well, which is understandable.
This isn't a common thing because it simply isn't getting enough credit or publicity, I believe. Some flaws with the set include being outsped by Sand Rush Excadrill (I mean, who isn't?) and having some problems with Thunder Wave (or Gyro Ball) Ferrothorn in general. I'll admit, I'm more afraid of switching into a possible Choiced Outrage rather than trying to stop a read-to-sweep Haxorus.
Speaking of which, maybe I should suggest Double Dance Haxorus again in an official set. If Earthworm could make it cool, I guess...
Well, I think everyone can atleast agree, unless your oppenent is running something that just happens to have a dragon or ice move, and it happens to be scarfed or priority(which I don't think there is a priority move for dragon or ice)
Then Haxorus will get the revenge kill with outrage every time(there are exceptions thought, such as running something with a high def that is steel, like Registeel(but that is so rare there is no need to worry,or if that is the case, no need to use haxorus in the first place)
Then Haxorus will get the revenge kill with outrage every time(there are exceptions thought, such as running something with a high def that is steel, like Registeel(but that is so rare there is no need to worry,or if that is the case, no need to use haxorus in the first place)
Issssssssss this your set?
name: Double Dancer
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Swords Dance
move 3: Outrage
move 4: Earthquake
item: Lum Berry / Draco Plate
ability: Mold Breaker
nature: Adamant
evs: 36 hp / 252 atk / 220 spe
Yeah SDS should me this set way back in july and undisputed used it during his SPL match too. At first I was like "lol?" but it quickly became one of my Haxorus sets of all time. All of the power of a CB set but with added flexibility. Is Gliscor / steel type giving you trouble? SD up and watch as their defensive cores scramble to check you. I like using a Lum Berry because you can avoid status from annoying Pokemon (hell, you can even use Rotom-W as set up fodder) and you can avoid Outrage confusion.
I know it sounds contrived but waaay back when Haxorus was qc checked I really did think it was gimmick, but this set definitely deserves a spot on the Haxorus analysis. Its beastly.
name: Double Dancer
move 1: Dragon Dance
move 2: Swords Dance
move 3: Outrage
move 4: Earthquake
item: Lum Berry / Draco Plate
ability: Mold Breaker
nature: Adamant
evs: 36 hp / 252 atk / 220 spe
Yeah SDS should me this set way back in july and undisputed used it during his SPL match too. At first I was like "lol?" but it quickly became one of my Haxorus sets of all time. All of the power of a CB set but with added flexibility. Is Gliscor / steel type giving you trouble? SD up and watch as their defensive cores scramble to check you. I like using a Lum Berry because you can avoid status from annoying Pokemon (hell, you can even use Rotom-W as set up fodder) and you can avoid Outrage confusion.
I know it sounds contrived but waaay back when Haxorus was qc checked I really did think it was gimmick, but this set definitely deserves a spot on the Haxorus analysis. Its beastly.
you know this is a good idea, there's really nothing to do with the last moveslot so why not put swords dance there. it helps hax BREAK skarmory in half. I support double dance hax a lot and i will playtest it to see how it does
No one was suppose to tell anyone else about swords dance, you have doomed us all fools.