Spinda there are so many of them
Unfortunately woke gamefreak stopped that in gen 6.chatot cause we can both say the f slur
We can no longer put chemicals in the water to make our Politoeds gay anymore.Unfortunately woke gamefreak stopped that in gen 6.
while this works for some religions that don't really have any explicit text of DON'T BE GAY, there are some where being homophobic is literally enshrined in the holy text, making it difficult for those who subscribe to that religion to really reconcile with not being homophobic when god himself tells them that being homophobic is Okay and Accepted, actually. theoretically, religious people shouldn't tell others/force their rules on others, but sometimes, a combination of being an Asshole and subscribing to said religion culiminates in a person that will in fact use religion to be homophobic— and in the eyes of their fellows they're the ones who are actually closely following the religion better than those who aren't homophobic.Surely a hotly debated question but no I don't think being religious inherently makes you homophobic. You can be religious and still stand for and respect the decisions of others, particularly those who may not be of the same faith. If you use your religion as an excuse to tell others they can't be gay (or, perhaps more likely, choose to stand aside while others of your faith do this), then you are homophobic.
While this concept works on paper, in practice there are tons of mandates in every religious text that literally nobody follows. So the choice to cherrypick the ones that say "don't be gay" and ignore the ones that say "don't work on Sundays" or "don't mix fabrics" or "give all your shit away to the poor and wander the world spreading the word" or "don't judge other people you dipshits" has to be motivated by something external to the religion. As I said, religion can be a vehicle to bigotry, but it isn't the driving factor.while this works for some religions that don't really have any explicit text of DON'T BE GAY, there are some where being homophobic is literally enshrined in the holy text, making it difficult for those who subscribe to that religion to really reconcile with not being homophobic when god himself tells them that being homophobic is Okay and Accepted, actually. theoretically, religious people shouldn't tell others/force their rules on others, but sometimes, a combination of being an Asshole and subscribing to said religion culiminates in a person that will in fact use religion to be homophobic— and in the eyes of their fellows they're the ones who are actually closely following the religion better than those who aren't homophobic.
i think i agree with you that it doesn't inherently make you homophobic, but some definitely teach you that homophobia's the way to go, and the thing about religion is that you can't question religion...
I wouldn't know anything about it in other religions, because i've only ever experienced it in mine. Im agreeable to your opinion though. it's just from personal experience, most of the people i know who are homophobic base it off the text. It's not even justification, they literally only hate gay people because of the text. Like, without it, they have mentioned that they wouldn't be homophobic. So I think I was reffering to something else.While this concept works on paper, in practice there are tons of mandates in every religious text that literally nobody follows. So the choice to cherrypick the ones that say "don't be gay" and ignore the ones that say "don't work on Sundays" or "don't mix fabrics" or "give all your shit away to the poor and wander the world spreading the word" or "don't judge other people you dipshits" has to be motivated by something external to the religion. As I said, religion can be a vehicle to bigotry, but it isn't the driving factor.
I'm only really familiar with Abrahamic doctrines, my understanding of religions outside of that sphere is shaky at best, but I can quite confidently tell you there isn't a single Christian, Muslim, or Jew who follows their holy books literally to the word. It doesn't help that you can't follow a religious text to the word because in all cases some parts of it will contradict other parts of it. Thou shalt not kill but also sell your cloak and buy a sword and all that.and from private conversations I've had with em, there's always an underlying sentiment of 'I'm quite jealous of the people who get to practice everything in the religion, etc. etc.'
people always refer to the one part of the bible where it debatably says dont be gay, and ignore the part that says love thy neighbor, or he who is without sin, throw the first stone, or the part that says that sins will be forgiven. you know. the whole point of christianity. not to mention the fact that the new testament retconned half the stuff in the old testament. the bible doesn't teach homophobia, bad parenting and a lack of critical thinking do, they just use the bible as a half-assed excuse. also, the original bible is in a different language, one that i bet most people who quote the bible dont read. how do you know something wasnt mistranslated? god couldve just been saying ¨bro, dont be openly gay in 500BC, its a bad idea, people will kill you in cold blood because humans cant accept that some people are different, stay in the closet where some dumbass with a complex wont make up some stupid excuse for murder.¨I'm only really familiar with Abrahamic doctrines, my understanding of religions outside of that sphere is shaky at best, but I can quite confidently tell you there isn't a single Christian, Muslim, or Jew who follows their holy books literally to the word. It doesn't help that you can't follow a religious text to the word because in all cases some parts of it will contradict other parts of it. Thou shalt not kill but also sell your cloak and buy a sword and all that.
This is ultimately my point. There are tons of things in the Bible that conservative evangelists ignore because it contradicts their worldview, so saying that the Bible says ”don’t be gay” is a really piss-poor excuse for homophobic rhetoric. Nobody is dying on the hill of mixing fabrics being a sin, so why are we choosing the part about not being gay?people always refer to the one part of the bible where it debatably says dont be gay, and ignore the part that says love thy neighbor, or he who is without sin, throw the first stone, or the part that says that sins will be forgiven. you know. the whole point of christianity. not to mention the fact that the new testament retconned half the stuff in the old testament. the bible doesn't teach homophobia, bad parenting and a lack of critical thinking do, they just use the bible as a half-assed excuse. also, the original bible is in a different language, one that i bet most people who quote the bible dont read. how do you know something wasnt mistranslated? god couldve just been saying ¨bro, dont be openly gay in 500BC, its a bad idea, people will kill you in cold blood because humans cant accept that some people are different, stay in the closet where some dumbass with a complex wont make up some stupid excuse for murder.¨
I'm glad that the Bible can be interpreted that way. To be fair, I have a lot of issues with my religion, which might make me a bad candidate to be more open and accepting to religious queers (?), though I am trying to. For context, I am only familiar with the wonderful religion of Islam, the lovely so-called religion of peace. I understand many can reconcile with it and pick out the good parts, like many others do with other religions, but I have seen such severe anti-gay and trans rhetoric as well as other violent ideas all rooted in religion in my community that I find it hard to believe in said God myself.This is ultimately my point. There are tons of things in the Bible that conservative evangelists ignore because it contradicts their worldview, so saying that the Bible says ”don’t be gay” is a really piss-poor excuse for homophobic rhetoric. Nobody is dying on the hill of mixing fabrics being a sin, so why are we choosing the part about not being gay?
A good few of my leftist friends were brought to their very left-leaning positions by their interpretations of the Bible, and it’s certainly something I can sympathize with. It’s not hard to imagine what someone who washed the feet of beggars and prostitutes, who fed the poor and healed the sick (for free by the way), who urged his followers to give all their worldly possessions to the needy and follow him to do charity work, and who showed contempt for those who use houses of worship as a way of making profit might think about some of his more conservative ostensible followers these days. “Jesus was a socialist” is kind of an overused meme in leftist circles, but he was undeniably a hell of a lot closer to one than he was to a Laissez-Faire capitalist.
Talking to lgbt and lgbt friendly religious members is a good way, and visiting friendly groups (churches, mosques etc) helps. I'm friendly with the rabbi of a jewish friend of mine whos a lesbian and hes been really kind into answering my questions and also is just really chill. I get invited sometimes to some events too since ive helped around the synagogue and the group size is pretty smallWould you guys have any opinions on how I can learn to at least be more accepting or a bit more religion-blind?
Thanks, I guess? I mean I guess it's better than being openly hostile but I wouldn't pat yourself on the back for simply not being violent. That should be the expected norm.The bible states that homosexual people shall not be supported. Nowhere anyone says "hate them" or "insult them". Be peaceful os Also What bible stages in général. So i'm peaceful With you guys
you do realize thats still discrimination if we're under the assumption that heterosexual people are "supported" (which is very vague)The bible states that homosexual people shall not be supported. Nowhere anyone says "hate them" or "insult them". Be peaceful os Also What bible stages in général. So i'm peaceful With you guys
if you've felt discrimination for your ethnic and cultural background you should be able to empathize with lgbtq+ people, right? do you have any reason not to support us other than "the bible says so"? religion can be important to many people, but you shouldn't follow it blindly, as many religious leaders and groups use their power to direct oppression at marginalized groups, like those of other countries, races, sexualities, etc. i urge you to consider that!Yes I do. Is it so problematic? You can always prefer being insulted and hated. i've always been discriminated in Africa because I was born in china and discriminated in china because i'm black. Discrimination Is not THAT terrible, I live With it everyday and i'm not suffering at all, be strong, live long
aw man cmon dont give them ideasI wonder how different this conversation would have been 150 years ago when verses like Ephasians 6:5 were being used to justify keeping Black people in slavery.
im the fruity thats makes you evilwhat variety of fruity are you guys i'm the "brain breaks whenever someone's remotely nice to me and i start fantasizing about every single possible what-if scenario" kind of fruity