Delver
I got the runs like Jagger
I'd like some discussion on elgyem. Its got some decent bulk and a respectable Special attack and the offensive move pool to back it up. The only negatives too it are its mono-psychic typing (which is arguably one of the worst mono types in the game) and its poor speed. Its psychic typing does act as a cushion against fighters though, and its poor speed does basically garuntee your Analytic boosts, which basically means a free Life Orb while still holding Eviolite. Missy and Murkrow can both wreck its shit no problem (though a list of what they cant is much shorter) but they cant safely switch in with the correct coverage moves:
From my experiences with it, the hardest part about running elgyem is getting it in safely because of how contrasting it tends to be with current play styles. I defintely think its a C+ mon though.
Anyways, I'd like to explain why I dislike Snover for S in this post cause i promised i would last night and enough people posted inbetween that editing that post isnt necessary. THe more i thought of it though, the less i convinced myself this is a valid reason for it not to be S, so take it how you will, this is just my $0.02 on the matter. Snovers popularity is a direct result of the current metgames status. If Sandbased offensive teams werent so deadly, Snover wouldnt be used as much. Period. Snover also acts as a decent murkrow check. Which is also used on like every team. So with one slot, you're simultaneously checking one of the most dangerous pokemon in the teir as well as one of the most consistent strategies in the teir. he also has some other uses, like checking chinchou who is rising in popularity again and etc, but other grass types can do that as well. So my intial thought with this was "if the meta wasnt the way it was, snover would not be used," using Round 5 (when i was most active) as a point of reference. Checking those links myself, i was surprised to see ts only ~9 spots and 5% usage seperating them over the two+ years.
Long story short, this is a list of things that are good in the *current* meta, and I can wine how if there wasnt any sand, snover wouldnt be used at all, but the current meta has sand, and snover has other uses so I just convinced my self that yeeah sure Snover for S
Also everyone thank corkscrew for the list of unlisted<3
240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Shadow Ball vs 36HP/80SpDef Eviolite Levitate lvl 5 Misdreavus (Neutral): 52% - 69% (12 - 16 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. Standard Elgyem vs Defensive Missy
240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Shadow Ball vs 0HP/0SpDef Eviolite Levitate lvl 5 Misdreavus (Neutral): 63% - 81% (14 - 18 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. Standard Elgyem vs Offensive Missy
240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Thunderbolt vs 0HP/0SpDef lvl 5 Murkrow (-SpDef): 163% - 200% (36 - 44 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. Standard Elgyem vs Mixkrow (Naive - Hasty is still a OHKO)
240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Thunderbolt vs 36HP/20SpDef lvl 5 Murkrow (Neutral): 139% - 165% (32 - 38 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. Standard Elgyem vs Subroost w/ Life Orb
240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Thunderbolt vs 36HP/20SpDef Eviolite lvl 5 Murkrow (Neutral): 95% - 113% (22 - 26 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 75% chance to OHKO. Standard elgyem vs Subroost w/eviolite
240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Shadow Ball vs 0HP/0SpDef Eviolite Levitate lvl 5 Misdreavus (Neutral): 63% - 81% (14 - 18 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. Standard Elgyem vs Offensive Missy
240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Thunderbolt vs 0HP/0SpDef lvl 5 Murkrow (-SpDef): 163% - 200% (36 - 44 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. Standard Elgyem vs Mixkrow (Naive - Hasty is still a OHKO)
240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Thunderbolt vs 36HP/20SpDef lvl 5 Murkrow (Neutral): 139% - 165% (32 - 38 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. Standard Elgyem vs Subroost w/ Life Orb
240SpAtk Analytic lvl 5 Elgyem (+SAtk) Thunderbolt vs 36HP/20SpDef Eviolite lvl 5 Murkrow (Neutral): 95% - 113% (22 - 26 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 75% chance to OHKO. Standard elgyem vs Subroost w/eviolite
From my experiences with it, the hardest part about running elgyem is getting it in safely because of how contrasting it tends to be with current play styles. I defintely think its a C+ mon though.
Anyways, I'd like to explain why I dislike Snover for S in this post cause i promised i would last night and enough people posted inbetween that editing that post isnt necessary. THe more i thought of it though, the less i convinced myself this is a valid reason for it not to be S, so take it how you will, this is just my $0.02 on the matter. Snovers popularity is a direct result of the current metgames status. If Sandbased offensive teams werent so deadly, Snover wouldnt be used as much. Period. Snover also acts as a decent murkrow check. Which is also used on like every team. So with one slot, you're simultaneously checking one of the most dangerous pokemon in the teir as well as one of the most consistent strategies in the teir. he also has some other uses, like checking chinchou who is rising in popularity again and etc, but other grass types can do that as well. So my intial thought with this was "if the meta wasnt the way it was, snover would not be used," using Round 5 (when i was most active) as a point of reference. Checking those links myself, i was surprised to see ts only ~9 spots and 5% usage seperating them over the two+ years.
Long story short, this is a list of things that are good in the *current* meta, and I can wine how if there wasnt any sand, snover wouldnt be used at all, but the current meta has sand, and snover has other uses so I just convinced my self that yeeah sure Snover for S
Also everyone thank corkscrew for the list of unlisted<3