Luck O' the Irish
banned in dc
For some context here, I think there being reqs farmers has been an issue that has existed as long as I’ve been around to varying extents in NU, which has been over 7 years now. I looked at the voting list again and when you compare it to some suspects back in Oras, like Jesus Christ. If you played the ladder back in the day during a suspect you’d think rain would be the most dominant playstyle in the meta. There was a cool policy back in the day too where if you wanted to get TC you had to make posts in the NP thread and it was comical in hindsight how many terrible posts were barfed into the forums as a results of this, although it was more irksome than funny at the time.
I think it’s fair to argue that there’s probably bias when you breakdown the votes, demographically in each individual suspect, ex nu tournament regular, nu ladder player, lower tiers tournament player/Mainers, reqs farmers. I don’t see any basis for there being bias towards ban/no ban holistically. And obviously 30-50 games is a small sample size particularly when 5-10 of those games are against hypersonic-alt and sonic the sandslash, but for the most part that dip is going to give you an idea on whether or not something is demonstrably broken or unhealthy.
I do see your point where something like goodra or groundvally is debatably broken you’d have more experienced players casting votes than not. But there’s no real way to change that without there being bizarre and arbitrary decisions on who else s and is not allowed to vote. Considering all the contradictory constraints here It’s tough to find different ways to make changes to these tiering decisions without there being egregious oversteps in one direction or it being moot changes.
TLDR: I am a smogon centrist
I think it’s fair to argue that there’s probably bias when you breakdown the votes, demographically in each individual suspect, ex nu tournament regular, nu ladder player, lower tiers tournament player/Mainers, reqs farmers. I don’t see any basis for there being bias towards ban/no ban holistically. And obviously 30-50 games is a small sample size particularly when 5-10 of those games are against hypersonic-alt and sonic the sandslash, but for the most part that dip is going to give you an idea on whether or not something is demonstrably broken or unhealthy.
I do see your point where something like goodra or groundvally is debatably broken you’d have more experienced players casting votes than not. But there’s no real way to change that without there being bizarre and arbitrary decisions on who else s and is not allowed to vote. Considering all the contradictory constraints here It’s tough to find different ways to make changes to these tiering decisions without there being egregious oversteps in one direction or it being moot changes.
TLDR: I am a smogon centrist