That's the problem you get with having both Excadrill and Thundurus in the same metagame. Both promote bulkier type of teams and offensive teams with blistering Speed see very little to no light. If one decides to boot out Excadrill, they better bring Thundurus along because these guys are promoting a bulky metagame. Besides, there's not much Pokemon that are viable that can outpace Thundurus bar Starmie.This is why everyone is having such problems with the thing, everything people are running is sitting either in the 240s range or at 346-350 and you need to be faster to beat it.
Dual Screen Memento Uxie is filthy in OU this generation. With two screens up and a memento, if the opponent is not wise enough to switch out, any set up sweeper of yours can set up without worry. And if they switch out, you get a free turn of set up.Alternatively you could go with Dual Screen Memento Uxie :3
Then typing isn't as big of an issue.
Momento in general is a great move for any screener, as it almost guarantees a free turn for your sweeper to do whatever it wants. While Latios has inferior defensive stats to Uxie, Latios also has a cool typing (resists Fire Blast, Hydro Pump, Leaf Storm, etc.) and is faster than Uxie. It also has high special attack to screw over Scizor that try to ruin the process with hp fire.only problem with using screens latios... is that you could be running a specs latios or some other latios. i mean surprise factor and the fact that it works are still there, but why waste offenive stats like that for dual screens. especially since there are other mons to use screens
I don't think Thundurus is fast enough to nullify blistering offensive teams. It's slower than Starmie. Scarftar, which is not a particularly fast mon, is faster than Thundurus (and Starmie). Excadrill is a different story.That's the problem you get with having both Excadrill and Thundurus in the same metagame. Both promote bulkier type of teams and offensive teams with blistering Speed see very little to no light. If one decides to boot out Excadrill, they better bring Thundurus along because these guys are promoting a bulky metagame. Besides, there's not much Pokemon that are viable that can outpace Thundurus bar Starmie.
The point is that teams don't carry alot of fast pokemon now because Excadrill makes them unviable. Why run something that relies on speed like Starmie when Excadrill is going to beat it without even trying? Instead of running faster pokemon and scarfers, you have to run slower bulkier pokemon that can wall Excadrill since you can't revenge it. Then Thundurus walks in and beats everything slower than it (except Gastrodon and Quagsire) and people start complaining.I don't think Thundurus is fast enough to nullify blistering offensive teams. It's slower than Starmie. Scarftar, which is not a particularly fast mon, is faster than Thundurus (and Starmie). Excadrill is a different story.
Well, Snunch made a post about that, but that's pretty similar to the idea of banning Ferrothorn to make bulky waters more viable again, and I sincerely doubt that's going to happen. I do agree that Excadrill is kind of pushing Scarfers out of the metagame -- last gen almost every team had a scarfer, while this has definitely decreased this gen. This may also be a part of the trend towards bulkier sweepers and tanks rather than fast frail attackers.Seems to me that if Exadrill was banned it would allow scarfers and fast frail mons to be viable again. But there's no chance of that happening. =p
I haven't really had the experience of "lose one pokemon and you lose the game" but I tend to run stall/nonweather teams. I haven't been finding I've been weak to any one weather in particular either, so my lack of suspect testing qualifications is probably due to 1) my "meh" battling skills and 2) my lack of much time to actually ladder. (and 3: the server is always down when I actually find the time to ladder 9.9)well exca, while the best physical sweeper this gen imo, isnt broken. he has enough counters and checks to be used, and is completely weather reliant (unlike garchomp who was still good despite weather. didnt think chomp was broken either though...). i seriously just think we should be ban weather (i know a lot of people agree but its still not happening soon), cause that just centralizes the game. its seriously at the point where if you lose 1 pokemon the game is over, and its not based on team matchup, its the same pokemon every match.
We pretty much concluded the same thing - Excadrill alone hinders heavy offensive teams, because it forces teams to carry defensive Gliscors. If you want to check Thundurus, go ahead and use Scarf Landorus / Specs Jolteon or Raikou etc. Remove Excadrill out of the metagame, and the stopper on heavy offense is gone. The removal of Thundurus is not necessary for this, which franky suggested in his post.The point is that teams don't carry alot of fast pokemon now because Excadrill makes them unviable. Why run something that relies on speed like Starmie when Excadrill is going to beat it without even trying? Instead of running faster pokemon and scarfers, you have to run slower bulkier pokemon that can wall Excadrill since you can't revenge it. Then Thundurus walks in and beats everything slower than it (except Gastrodon and Quagsire) and people start complaining.
Base 180 speed ftw. Is it just me or is 5th Gen pokemon turning into Dragonball Z? To be competitively viable in OU pokemon need either a trollish stat or a crazy niche, j/s. And about Accelgor, can it OHKO Excadrill? I know it's fast as heck but I think what's dropping it into obscurity is working off a base 100 sp atk. Not saying base 100 is bad, but in OU it doesn't have the bulk or typing to back it up.Scarf Deoxys-S. =P. 28 speed EVs to outspeed! And not a bad trickscarfer by any means. :3. Scarf Accelgor outspeeds too, but nobody likes Accelgor.
Sounds great on paper, but for the record, if you bring Deoxys-S in on Excadrill, you can bank on seeing Gliscor/Skarm/Jellicent come in.Deoxys-S's Superpower OHKOs Excadrill 79% of the time.
I believe it can 100% of the time with Choice Specs Focus Blast. However, if you run Choice Specs instead of Choice Scarf, you are no longer faster than Excadrill. However, since I would assume most Excadrill run at most 4 hp ev's, you could OHKO it with Scarfed Final Gambit at max hp (max hp base 80 = 364; 4 ev hp base 110 = 362). However, there would probably be better things to do with a team spot.And about Accelgor, can it OHKO Excadrill? I know it's fast as heck but I think what's dropping it into obscurity is working off a base 100 sp atk. Not saying base 100 is bad, but in OU it doesn't have the bulk or typing to back it up.