I know some German from high school/college, from what I could tell they didn't say anything too important that hasn't been revealed already, just general stuff about how they wanted to remake HoennSomeone Japanese or German translate please:
I know some German from high school/college, from what I could tell they didn't say anything too important that hasn't been revealed already, just general stuff about how they wanted to remake HoennSomeone Japanese or German translate please:
Return is probably more likely to get run than Double Edge. After the 30% Aerilate boost it is also stronger than Brave bird and unlike both Brave Bird and Double Edge, no recoil draw backs.Oh, and I can't fail to mention that it has Flying STAB stronger than Brave Bird now thanks to Aerilate Double Edge and nothing is immune to it unlike the nerfed Dragon STAB.
I'm lovein' M-Loppuny too! I'll repeat a few thing from the last 30 pages, for yah. based on trends with stat upgrades for past megas I think most people will say 126-ish or 130-ish atk is the likely stat M-Loppuny will be working with, 150 is possible but it's that more than a +60 boost. Here, actually, check out this little shindig I typed up 2 days ago: LinkMegaLopunny is hilarious. I love it just for that. It scares the trainer because it rips its tights and becomes warlike! LOL! It will need heavy base stat investment in Atk to become potent. Thankfully it's already quite fast so it can easily get up to ~150 base attack and ~130 speed theoretically with the 100 extra base stat points it will gain. Surprisingly it's not terribly frail as is and if GF is kind and pilfers some points from SpA it could end up with nice stats where it matters. Spammable Scrappy HJK sounds kind of intriguing and will set it apart from Mienshao who can carry items and doesn't take a Mega slot. I'm assuming it gets HJK as suggested as it will be quite pointless otherwise. Scrappy Return gives pretty good coverage along with HJK. Facade is also interesting with Scrappy in mind and the fact that Lopunny gets STAB. It would somewhat discourage burn and Toxic Spikes if Lopunny becomes known for running Facade and is seen in team preview. Even in the case of burn, trading a 130BP STAB for a 140BP STAB with less SE coverage wouldn't be too bad. PuP might also be viable depending on how much oomph Lop will need to sweep. The punches are there but they are weaker than Return unless 4x effective. I'll be trying Lopunny out just for how unexpected MegaLopunny is.
So many people go straight to DD sets. maybe I'm wrong.... I don't know..... maybe DD is what M-Alteria will be doing.... I guess it's atk is getting a boost after all..... so that's like what? 6 megas with DD sets?MegaAltaria seems cool and the typing is unique. It will be quite the anti-Dragon Dragon (laughs at Charizard X). Bulky DD will probably be a thing as it already has good defenses and it will be getting a boost to Atk. It has Heal Bell to keep itself free of status (laughs at Charizard X) and support the team, Roost, and 130+ base power Pixelate Return
Confirming what Jebus said (my German is alright, in any case good enough to read and understand the subtitles without any trouble); they talked a bit about the development of Hoenn in the original games, then talked a bit about updating Hoenn (which was basically limited to 'we implemented new features like super secret bases and the primals in order to keep veteran players entertained, but it should still be great for new players', they didn't reveal anything new), and revealed Mega Audino (not stating any details apart from it gaining Fairy type and being the first Unova mega)Someone Japanese or German translate please:
I'd go so far as to say Facade is a better option on DD Mega Altaria than Heal Bell. Assuming a 30 BST attack boost and factoring in STAB and the Pixelate power boost, you're looking at an attack that outdamages Azumarill's CB Play Rough at +0. Facade on Mega Salamence has similar potential, and it doesn't hurt that Fairy and Flying attacks are some of the most spammable in the current metagame. To put things in perspective, a -resisted- Facade coming from either Pokemon would do damage comparable to a super effective 70 BP attack coming from the same Pokemon, and unlike Mega Pinsir, the bulkiness of those two Pokemon is far more likely to draw status (as an added note, they also make Keldeo really, really nervous about throwing around Scalds). I'm really excited for both Pokemon, especially since I've had a shiny Adamant Altaria since Ruby and Sapphire first came out, and it looks like it'll finally be useful.It used to be that way. Whether a move was a physical or special attack depended on its type. So all Fire attacks and Ice attacks were special, for example. Flareon was even more ridiculous back then as it could never have a STAB attack that used its best stat.
Anyway, Mega Audino will probably be pretty bulky. Its HP is already great, it gets a nice secondary type (FAIRY) and it could end up with really nice defenses since they're already decent at base 86 and there are 100 stat points to spend (44 each puts it at 103/130/130 with 12 points to spare).
Was initially disappointed with no Regenerator on MegaSlowbro but I guess they were afraid of brokenness. As others have said, Shell Armor, reliable recovery and buffed Def sounds like a CMer.
I felt weird about MegaSalamence until I saw where the front legs were hidden. After that I liked it. It'll probably be a beast. Base form can have Intimidate then it has a beefed up Def stat on evolution. You can't tell me it won't find the opportunity to DD. Oh, and I can't fail to mention that it has Flying STAB stronger than Brave Bird now thanks to Aerilate Double Edge and nothing is immune to it unlike the nerfed Dragon STAB. It will also have the option to run Facade too to make opponents think twice about burning it. All the single types that resist Flying are also weak to Ground so it will have almost all the coverage it needs with Flying + Ground and can afford to run a situational last move (Fire Blast, Roost, etc). It'll probably play more like a brutal Flying type than the Outraging Salamence of old but Salamence is back!
MegaAltaria seems cool and the typing is unique. It will be quite the anti-Dragon Dragon (laughs at Charizard X). Bulky DD will probably be a thing as it already has good defenses and it will be getting a boost to Atk. It has Heal Bell to keep itself free of status (laughs at Charizard X) and support the team, Roost, and 130+ base power Pixelate Return.
MegaLopunny is hilarious. I love it just for that. It scares the trainer because it rips its tights and becomes warlike! LOL! It will need heavy base stat investment in Atk to become potent. Thankfully it's already quite fast so it can easily get up to ~150 base attack and ~130 speed theoretically with the 100 extra base stat points it will gain. Surprisingly it's not terribly frail as is and if GF is kind and pilfers some points from SpA it could end up with nice stats where it matters. Spammable Scrappy HJK sounds kind of intriguing and will set it apart from Mienshao who can carry items and doesn't take a Mega slot. I'm assuming it gets HJK as suggested as it will be quite pointless otherwise. Scrappy Return gives pretty good coverage along with HJK. Facade is also interesting with Scrappy in mind and the fact that Lopunny gets STAB. It would somewhat discourage burn and Toxic Spikes if Lopunny becomes known for running Facade and is seen in team preview. Even in the case of burn, trading a 130BP STAB for a 140BP STAB with less SE coverage wouldn't be too bad. PuP might also be viable depending on how much oomph Lop will need to sweep. The punches are there but they are weaker than Return unless 4x effective. I'll be trying Lopunny out just for how unexpected MegaLopunny is.
I really understand the reluctance, given the prevalence of setup sweeping megas, but given its ability, DD seems to be the most logical set for M-Altaria. Imagine if Sylveon got Quiver Dance and special normal attacks with base powers of 102, 120 and 140 instead of its 90 BP Hyper Voice. Would we still be using it a a cleric/ wall or as a setup sweeper?So many people go straight to DD sets. maybe I'm wrong.... I don't know..... maybe DD is what M-Alteria will be doing.... I guess it's atk is getting a boost after all..... so that's like what? 6 megas with DD sets?
I don't know any Japanese or German, but according to TV Tropes Masuda himself said "Hoenn confirmed".Someone Japanese or German translate please:
DD Altaria will be pretty medicore. I mean it could work, cause Pixilate Return and Flamethrower for Skarmory, but I really doubt its attack will go any higher than base 110.So many people go straight to DD sets. maybe I'm wrong.... I don't know..... maybe DD is what M-Alteria will be doing.... I guess it's atk is getting a boost after all..... so that's like what? 6 megas with DD sets?
...How?I'd go so far as to say Facade is a better option on DD Mega Altaria than Heal Bell. Assuming a 30 BST attack boost and factoring in STAB and the Pixelate power boost, you're looking at an attack that outdamages Azumarill's CB Play Rough at +0.
Assuming base 110 attack, M-Altaria's Double Edge is only marginally less powerful than Azumarill's Play Rough and stronger than Mega Tyranitar's Stone Edge. Compared in particular to the latter, it has a vastly superior defensive typing, access to instant recovery, and has no fear of status due to access to both Facade and Heal Bell. To date, no Pokemon is able to OHKO it with priority - assuming no increased defenses, Mega Scizor and Talonflame do between 70-80% with Bullet Punch and Brave Bird respectively. I really doubt it's going to be mediocre.DD Altaria will be pretty medicore. I mean it could work, cause Pixilate Return and Flamethrower for Skarmory, but I really doubt its attack will go any higher than base 110.
What I think it will be REALLY good at is a defensive set. Base form is already respectably bulky, it's only going to get bulkier, Fairy/Dragon is absolutely fantastic, it has reliable recovery, and a great movepool and good uninvested offense in Pixilate Return/Hyper Voice. (Theoretically) checks BOTH forms of charizard, Keldeo, Thundurus, Lati@s, Dragonite, Garchomp, Mega Gyarados, Rotom-W... it's gonna be great.
252+ Atk Pixilate Altaria Facade (140 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Slaking: 271-321 (61.3 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO...How?
This completely overlooks the team utility of having Heal Bell.I'd go so far as to say Facade is a better option on DD Mega Altaria than Heal Bell.
Which is why I specified DD Altaria.This completely overlooks the team utility of having Heal Bell.
Thank you! Thank you! I kept saying that and so many people were just really into DD but I'm glad someone else agrees. Even though there are no Fairy type Dragon Dancers and Alteria will have some powerful STABs with it's ability it's just so outclassed by both the other Mega Dragons and probably the non Dragon Mega Dragon Dancers as well (it might have a few advantages of TTar or Gyara I guess) But yeah, I think the really exciting sets are gonna be the Heal Bell + Roost sets, with some other support move and mono attacking Fairy attack or maybe two attack options. Personally I think Perish Song/Heal Bell/Roost/Hyper Voice sounds promising. With max investment going either physical or special to be determined (but physical will be cool for Charizard X.)DD Altaria will be pretty medicore. I mean it could work, cause Pixilate Return and Flamethrower for Skarmory, but I really doubt its attack will go any higher than base 110.
What I think it will be REALLY good at is a defensive set. Base form is already respectably bulky, it's only going to get bulkier, Fairy/Dragon is absolutely fantastic, it has reliable recovery, and a great movepool and good uninvested offense in Pixilate Return/Hyper Voice. (Theoretically) checks BOTH forms of charizard, Keldeo, Thundurus, Lati@s, Dragonite, Garchomp, Mega Gyarados, Rotom-W... it's gonna be great.
I get 'there are too many DDing megas', really, but I really can't see how it'd be outclassed. Double Edge on Pixilate M-Altaria outdamages Tough Claws Zard X's Dragon Claw on a neutral target. It outdamages everything in Mega TTar's arsenal. You're looking at a potential DDer - one with one of the best defensive typings in the game - that hits as hard as -any DDer in the current metagame- with one of the most spammable offensive types, which either can heal itself of status or actually gets stronger when statused. Oh, and one which can survive any priority in the game and which can even conceivably put its counters to sleep. That's scary.Thank you! Thank you! I kept saying that and so many people were just really into DD but I'm glad someone else agrees. Even though there are no Fairy type Dragon Dancers and Alteria will have some powerful STABs with it's ability it's just so outclassed but both the other Mega Dragons and probably the non Dragon Mega Dragon Dancers as well(it might have a few advantages of TTar or Gyara I guess) But yeah, I think the really exciting sets are gonna be the Heal Bell + Roost sets, with some other support move and mono attacking Fairy attack or maybe two attack options. Personally I think Perish Song/Heal Bell/Roost/Hyper Voice sounds promising. With max investment going either physical or special to be determined (but physical will be cool for Charizard X.)
That's just plain false. Hits as hard as who? Tough Claws boost = Pixilate Boost. But Tough Claws applies to most of the attacks Charizard X runs not just one. And Double Edge is a powerful recoil attack so shouldn't you compare it to Flare Blitz? Is it out damaging that? (*spoiler* it isn't) I bet Dragon Claw out damages Alteria coverage moves too. And what atk stat are you even using to determine this? Charizard X has base 60 more than regular Alteria... do you REALLY think Alteria's is getting 60 in just atk when it's supposedly getting big enough boosts in sp.atk and def to warrant mentioning as well? There just no way it's going to be out damaging Charizard X OR M-Slalamence for that matter. And if it's got "one of the best defensive typings in the game" shouldn't it take on a.... defensive role?I get 'there are too many DDing megas', really, but I really can't see how it'd be outclassed. Double Edge on Pixilate M-Altaria outdamages Tough Claws Zard X's Dragon Claw on a neutral target. It outdamages everything in Mega TTar's arsenal. You're looking at a potential DDer - one with one of the best defensive typings in the game - that hits as hard as -any DDer in the current metagame- with one of the most spammable offensive types, which either can heal itself of status or actually gets stronger when statused. That's scary.
If you read my previous posts, you'll know I've been assuming +30 attack for a total of 100 - likely to be an underestimate rather than an overestimate given GF have explicitly stated that Altaria's attack and s.attack are going to be buffed. Just go on the calculator. Put in +30 attack for a total of 100. Pick a normal type Pokemon. Compare the damage. No, it can't compare to Zard X's Flare Blitz overall for raw damge, but nothing can (although, ironically, Pixilate Facade comes pretty close). Despite this fact there are multiple DDers present in the metagame that aren't Zard X. M-Altaria outdamages all of those. You might as well say that DD Tyranitar or Gyarados are pointless and outclassed.That's just plain false. Hits harder than who? Tough Claws boost = Pixilate Boost. But Tough Claws applies to most of the attacks Charizard X runs not just one. And Double Edge is a powerful recoil attack so shouldn't you compare it to Flare Blitz? Is it out damaging that? (*spoiler* it isn't) I bet Dragon Claw out damages Alteria coverage moves too. And what atk stat are you even using to determine this? Charizard X has base 60 more than regular Alteria... do you REALLY think Alteria is getting 60 in just atk when it's supposedly getting big enough boosts in sp.atk and def to warrant mentioning as well? There just no way in it's going to be out damaging Charizard X OR M-Slalamence for that matter. And if it's got "one of the best defensive typings in the game" should it take on a.... defensive role?
I'm gonna remain HEAVILY skeptical of Dragon Dance Alteria until after we find out that it got stats that they seem to be hinting it isn't getting...
I gotta agree with that. They'll both be viable.... I think both DD and Defensive will be pretty viable. Maybe one more than the other but definitely both will be viable.
Yes. I was thinking about a move analagous to Brave Bird in power and Double Edge came to mind first. But with Aerilate, Return actually fits the 'bill' better.Return is probably more likely to get run than Double Edge
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 217-256 (30.8 - 36.3%) -- 59.7% chance to 3HKO.(base 100 atk, STAB, Adamant Altaria)
252+ Atk Pixilate Altaria Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 309-364 (43.8 - 51.7%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Charizard X Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 381-448 (54.1 - 63.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
(this calc is using Salamences current atk stat which will DEFFINITLEy be higher in mega... but it already out-damages with the same move)
252+ Atk Aerilate Salamence Double-Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 382-450 (54.2 - 63.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
These calcs are dumb because they're all more or less the same thing except with a different moves and or base atk... But literally EVERY other Dragon Dancer has considerably more atk than base 100. So of course they're all gonna out damage Alteria. If Alteria is out damaging Gayrados it's just barely, and because Waterfall has weak sauce BP next to Pixilate Double Edge (of course it doesn't recoil and can flinch so..) And I don't think +30 is an underestimate given how many stats Alteria has been listed as increasing relative to other megas... We can also compare speed to see how outclassed it is. How much do you think Alteria will get? Cause it's getting points in it's Sp.Atk and Def too so it's not to hard to expect it's also gonna be slower than every one of them except TTar and maybe MAYBE Gyara.
But Kurona is right. Dragon Dancing will be viable. It's gonna be seriously improved from non Mega Altaria's excuse for a DD set... but it's not gonna be high ladder viable. Not real competitively. Because if you want to win, if it's a tournament, if there are prizes involved, or if you just really care about the victory, then you are gonna use a Dragon Dancer that hits harder faster. Altarea is defensively better than a lot of them (or all of them) but it's not as immediately threatening either. They all force switches so it's not like Alteria's gonna magically find way more opportunities to set up than them. Dragon Dancing is gonna be generally the same for it. It got a good offensive attack in Fairy STAB but otherwise Mega Altaria is sitting at almost the same level below Mega Salamence as Altaria sat below Salamence. But defensive Altaria now has no x4 weakness and more resistances than I'm gonna list. DD Altaria would be a REALLY strong candidate for that one thread. It just brings nothing new or worthwhile to your team that other things can't already do better. But Bulky Support Wall Altaria will be pro.
........ or so I say, lol, we don't know everything yet so I could totally be wrong, but based on what's sitting in front of us now.... it's like Sergeant Spooky said. DD Alteria will be pretty mediocre.
Sigh....I'm tired of this argument again.... Neither of us even know.... just put some more thought into the calcs we both showed and what kind of coverage Altaria has to run.... but I'm done for now and I doubt anyone wants to take over... lol252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Waterfall vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 217-256 (30.8 - 36.3%) -- 59.7% chance to 3HKO.
That's not 'just barely'. That's a huge difference. 'It's just because waterfall is weaksauce', you say? Let's try Mega TTar:
252+ Atk Mega Tyranitar Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 283-334 (40.1 - 47.4%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO after sandstorm damage
Surprise, he gets outdamaged as well.
You say that Altaria is not as immediately threatening as the other DDers. I suppose Azumarill's Play Rough isn't threatening? Because M-Altaria's Double Edge hits just as hard.
The speed doesn't really matter because M-Altaria a) has the defensive typing to get off multiple DDs (similar to TTar) and b) doesn't fear status due to access to Facade and Heal Bell.
Yeah, let's just stop this.Didn't the mods lock this last time because of excessive competitive discussion? I'm confused as to why they haven't made a move at all yet.
Being done implies you want to stop talking about it. 'Put some more thought into the calcs we both showed and what kind of coverage Altaria has to run' implies you believe my position requires clarification, and is frankly a little insulting. If you want to desist from the argument, please be a little more gracious about it and try not to throw in little jabs on the way out, otherwise expect a response.Sigh....I'm tired of this argument again.... Neither of us even know.... just put some more thought into the calcs we both showed and what kind of coverage Altaria has to run.... but I'm done for now and I doubt anyone wants to take over... lol
I love it, actually. I love the fact that it's geared for triples/ doubles battles, the fact that it comes from Gen 5, and the fact that none of us saw it coming. Makes it seem like anything might be possible.Let's talk about Mega-Audino for a sec (I've ignored it in my shitstorm against Mega-Retard.. I mean Mega-Slowbro :))
I'm just gonna throw this here
(A kawaii gif should be here, but unfortunately it's not showing up. Crap mobile version)