RichieTheGarchomp
Banned deucer.
The problem is is that Lando T is one of the most common (or the most common) pokemon on OU teams, surpassing even the Latis. He is just a pivot with its scarf set. Seriously, might as well just put U turn and Knock off on it because no one uses any other move in worry that they might be locked into it. Its to risky to use EQ or SE on it, thats why people just U turn and Knock Off.What kind of argument is that a pokemon should drop because it is countered by himself?
''M-Metagross should drop because it is countered by another M-Metagross that has EQ''(of course this is just an example, of how ridiculous this argument is, even if there are some minor differences in the actual comparison)
That is what your argument implied against Lando-T.
''Just a pivot''? lol, he scares physical mons just by incoming, cripples ones incoming with knock off, and can 2OHKO(or OHKO) almost all the tier, and on top of that being able to provide momentum, what other pivot does this?
Also is funny that you undersell Lando-T and praise M-Lop in the same post that you said that someone should not undersell and/or praise some specific mons.
Of course I don't think M-Lop should drop, it is not better than M-Metgaross or M-Sableye in what they do, but it does great against a lot of playstyles with one set, alongside being able to support her team if she wants without having a 4MSS unlike M-Meta because of her greats STABs.
She should be S rank because she fits the criteria and is above all A+ ranks.
2HKO or OHKO almost all the tier? With what, the Double Dance set? I'm not gonna provide calcs but if i have to I will. If i do im probably gonna be a cockhead and put calcs on extremely bulky mons and no one likes that. I think we all know the mons that can take on Lando.
Honestly, I had extremely mixed feelings while making the original post I made and took almost a half hour of deciding if i want it in S or A+, and honestly i want it in S. I struggled to even make arguments to A+. And I know a lot about the mon.
It may seem like I dont know shit, but I cant represent my posts for shit. I really need to work on that, and obviously ive been getting help because I need to find a posting scheme I can use so i can make my posts much more presentable. Thank you for the rebuttal back, too.
I definitely agree. One thing i just wanted to say is that i meant that bish had to come in when Lando T comes in, therefore making it a shaky check.S Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are amazing in the OU metagame. These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this rank have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.
To begin with, I'd like to point out that I'm addressing the POST and not the POSTER. I respect your logic, and am presenting my own.
In addressing this post, I begin with stating that Choice Scarf Landorus-T is not BY FAR, the most popular set, looking at the OU Suspect-Test Stats from December, roughly 40% of Landorus-T use Leftovers, i.e. the Stealth Rock set, a set that was not even mentioned in your post.
Furthermore, Landorus-T is not "a mere pivot"; the Scarf Landorus-T set makes it one of the BEST offensive pivots in the current meta, which is primarily physical, due to its ability, Intimidate, decent defensive stats, great offensive stats, and access to Ground/Rock coverage. It also makes it one of the best Revenge-Killers in the current meta, being able to revenge-kill mons like Adamant Mega Charizard X at +1, Zard Y, Mega Manectric, Mega Diancie, Latios, Mega Beedrill, Mega Sceptile, Mega Metagross (after a tad of prior damage), and many others with its Ground/Rock/Bug coverage. It is unfortunate being choiced into a move, however that comes with the territory; additionally, as it has access to one of the most spammable moves in the tier i.e. Knock Off, if a switch is obvious, it will be punished. Additionally, as the Scarf set is meant as a Revenge-Killer/Pivot set, Lando-T isn't gonna stay in to be set up on. It'll either revenge-kill and switch out, or threaten a KO and pivot out/knock off a switch, if it's obvious.
Lando-T also has another set, the defensive i.e. the Stealth Rock set, which is still amazing in this current meta. Being able to set up rocks reliably, check Scarf Lando-T, Birdspam, Mega Metagross (to an extent), Mega Beedrill, Mega Charizard X, TTar + Excadrill, and other mons is no small feat. Not to mention the defensive set makes Lando-T an excellent defensive pivot. There are other roles Lando-T fulfills, such as RP Lando-T or Double Dance, however these are much less common.
I'm sorry, but I fail to see how Lando-T is not a threat. It can either set up rocks on you (SR set), revenge-kill you (scarf set), pivot out predicting your switch, or bop it with a Knock Off (or Explosion, because yolo). Each of these scenarios is quite threatening.
On another note, LO Adamant Bisharp only beats Lando-T 1v1 if Lando-T switches into Bisharp after rocks, giving it the Defiant boost. Otherwise, Lando-T still beats it 1v1.
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 24 Def Landorus-T: 192-227 (60.1 - 71.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 356-420 (130.8 - 154.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
In my opinion, Landorus-T has a relatively high impact on the tier, as it is a Low Risk, High Reward pokemon, which fulfills quite a few roles effectively.
The reason i was focusing on the Offensive Scarf set is because its much more threatening than the Bulky SR set. Its really self explanatory: It comes in, has a shitton of bulk to take on physical walls, and Intimidates them.
Also, 40% of people used lando t as a SR setter in OU Suspect? lol.