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Gains health when hit by Electric moves? Baton Pass?
Hmm, yeah volt absorb might be a big thing with Rotom usage as it is right now. Thanks, I was looking into it too much.Gains health when hit by Electric moves? Baton Pass?
Here's a better explanation.Might be that Jolteon handles cores involving Rotom-W decently, threatens many Pokemon with its base 110 SpA and 130 Spe (which causes switches), and outruns Offensive DD Nite, even after Dragonite gets the Speed boosts. Jolteon might not be the most substantial attacker in the metagame, but it's pretty good at what it does: outrun and blast things.
The difference is Volt Absorb. The presence of Jolteon means that Rotom-W can't just spam Volt Switch mindlessly. The Speed is also helpful for taking out the likes of Tornadus and Starmie, as most Raikou run a Rash nature because of stupid Ninetendo. While Raikou certainly has superior bulk, Jolteon's/ Raikou's job is not taking hits, its dishing them out. Jolteon has a much easier time firing off Attacks thanks to a superior ability and Speed. The only think Raikou has on Jolteon, really, is Weather Ball/ Aura Sphere, and as already mentioned, this forces it to run a -Speed Nature.I never got the deal with Jolteon, how is it ever close to OU. If for some reason you need an electric sweeper, use Riakou or something, it's move pool is a heck of a lot better, and its stronger too, all it loses out on is ridiculous speed. Are people using it to check something, or maybe as a scarfer, but wouldn‘t Riakou still be fast enough? I don’t know, it seems kinda silly in the current metagame. Maybe I am underestimating this thing, perhaps a Jolteon player can enlighten me.
While all your points are valid, I would hardly say that Raikou is an inferior choice on offensive teams, especially bulky offense. Despite his lower speed, Raikou also boasts several advantages over Jolteon, such as a much more reliable boosting move in Calm Mind and access to Aura Sphere. The former lets him set up in the face of weak special attackers, while the latter lets him OHKO Tyranitar around 90% of the time after SR, something Jolteon can only dream of. All this goes without mentioning Raikou's much better physical bulk, which prevents him from being killed by priority such as +1 Conkeldurr's Mach Punch after Guts (Jolteion is always OHKOd after SR).Jolteon's speed is a huge advantage over Raikou. Raikou's 329 Speed makes it more of a wall-breaker than a sweeper, since there's quite a lot of faster mons to drive Raikou out.
However, Jolteon's Speed provides it a really useful revenge-killing utility, as highlighted by AccidentalGreed. Jolteon checks Gyarados and Dragonite after Dragon Dance. It's also great to dispatch ScarfToed, Starmie, Tornadus, and Landorus, all mons from which Raikou must flee. Being faster than Dugtrio is a huge boon as well, being able to kill / Baton Pass out from Dugtrio. Thanks to its Speed, it can clean teams end-game with a little boost from Charge Beam (which can also be passed to your other team members). A special attack boost or two really makes Jolteon unstoppable. Jolteon is imo more handy than Raikou on offensive teams.
Aura Sphere Raikou must be Rash, which forces it to lose against Pokemon it would otherwise outspeed, such as non-Scarf Landorus, Mienshao, Infernape, Zoroark, etc. Jolteon does not need to worry about that stuff, and is much faster. Volt Absorb is also quite useful due to the prevalence of Rotom-W, and Jolteon still has the useful resistance to Scizor's Bullet Punch. Not to mention, Raikou has one of the worst movepools in the entire game.While all your points are valid, I would hardly say that Raikou is an inferior choice on offensive teams, especially bulky offense. Despite his lower speed, Raikou also boasts several advantages over Jolteon, such as a much more reliable boosting move in Calm Mind and access to Aura Sphere. The former lets him set up in the face of weak special attackers, while the latter lets him OHKO Tyranitar around 90% of the time after SR, something Jolteon can only dream of. All this goes without mentioning Raikou's much better physical bulk, which prevents him from being killed by priority such as +1 Conkeldurr's Mach Punch after Guts (Jolteion is always OHKOd after SR). As people have mentioned before, Jolteon is much easier to slap onto teams thanks to Rotom's prevalence. However, Raikou can be just as potent, if not more so, if you can get over his lower speed (and base 115 is still excellent).
1. Nobody uses Curse, it isn't even in the analysis.How the hell is mamoswine OU and Weavile UU?
People obviously don't know how to use Weavile anymore. Mamoswine is just a fat pig that has no Swords Dance or Fighting-type moves. I never had any problems with mamo. The Curse set is free Forretress/Ferrothorn/Skarmory bait. Also, mamo can't do more to Scizor than Weavile and he's too slow.
I don't understand. Mamoswine sucks.
On the other hand there is NO Pokemon that resist the combination Fighting-Dark-Ice. Add Swords Dance, and Weavile becomes an ultra threat that can wreck huge havoc.
The main issue with Weavile is that its typing, while decent on paper, makes it incredibly difficult to switch in. Unlike Tyranitar, Weavile has horrendous defenses, and therefore must come in when something gets taken out. Mamoswine on the other hand, has a decent Ground+Ice defensive typing, which while not great, still beats Dark+Ice I guess. Furthermore, Mamoswine has superior bulk, which while on the surface doesn't seem to matter, is actually incredibly important when your main target is Dragonite, who commonly carries Extremespeed. Ground+Ice is if anything, a better typing than Dark+Ice, QuakeEdge+Ice Shard+Stealth Rock is not too shabby, not to mention Mamoswine has a superior Fighting coverage move in Superpower. Lastly, as rare as it is, Mamoswine can abuse Hail, in fact, its the only commonly used Pokemon in the tier besides Reuniclus and Alakazam that is immune to both forms of damaging weather. Tyranitar's usage alone makes this a valuable asset.How the hell is mamoswine OU and Weavile UU?
People obviously don't know how to use Weavile anymore. Mamoswine is just a fat pig that has no Swords Dance or Fighting-type moves. I never had any problems with mamo. The Curse set is free Forretress/Ferrothorn/Skarmory bait. Also, mamo can't do more to Scizor than Weavile and he's too slow. He is also the only Pokemon that is weak to Fire, Grass and Water, and Thick Fat does little to improve this due to low special defense.
I don't understand. Mamoswine sucks.
On the other hand there is NO Pokemon that resist the combination Fighting-Dark-Ice. Add Swords Dance, and Weavile becomes an ultra threat that can wreck huge havoc.
He also can use Taunt on a lead set to stop Skarm/Ferro/Forry. He might be frail, but his speed actually compensates for that.
While Weavile like one of my favorite pokemon, There are some clear reasons why its not used. Swords Dance Weavile is just god awful in a metagame full of priority and where so many things counter it. also Mamoswine doesnt need fighting moves and can actually beat all the mons you listed as bait, while Weavile (with the exception of Ferrothorn) cannot beat them. Mamo might be just as weak to scizor but scizor is actually afraid of coming on mamo in fear of an earthquake, while CB Weavile hardly ever does more than 50% with Low kick.How the hell is mamoswine OU and Weavile UU?
People obviously don't know how to use Weavile anymore. Mamoswine is just a fat pig that has no Swords Dance or Fighting-type moves. I never had any problems with mamo. The Curse set is free Forretress/Ferrothorn/Skarmory bait. Also, mamo can't do more to Scizor than Weavile and he's too slow. He is also the only Pokemon that is weak to Fire, Grass and Water, and Thick Fat does little to improve this due to low special defense.
I don't understand. Mamoswine sucks.
On the other hand there is NO Pokemon that resist the combination Fighting-Dark-Ice. Add Swords Dance, and Weavile becomes an ultra threat that can wreck huge havoc.
He also can use Taunt on a lead set to stop Skarm/Ferro/Forry. He might be frail, but his speed actually compensates for that.
honestly Low Kick is extremely reliable in OU, with the only things that doesnt get hit for 100 Bp or more that you should be trying to hit with it are Jirachi and the flat blobs. also mamoswine has no actual chance of surviving a bullet punch,2. This is Weavile's moves: 40 Base Ice Priority / 75 Base Ice, 70 Base Dark, Unreliable Fighting Move. This is Mamoswine's moves: 40 Base Ice, 85 Base Ice, 100 Ground, 100 Rock.
3. What can Weavile do to Scizor? He just gets annihilated by Bullet Punch. Mamo at least has a chance of surviving.
No denying Raikou's movepool is poor, but Jolteon's is even worse for offensive sets. I'd rather have Aura Sphere or even Weather Ball than Baton Pass on a sweeper any day. Also, I know that Raikou has to use rash; thats why I said 329 total speed (neutral base 115) isn't all that bad.Aura Sphere Raikou must be Rash, which forces it to lose against Pokemon it would otherwise outspeed, such as non-Scarf Landorus, Mienshao, Infernape, Zoroark, etc. Jolteon does not need to worry about that stuff, and is much faster. Volt Absorb is also quite useful due to the prevalence of Rotom-W, and Jolteon still has the useful resistance to Scizor's Bullet Punch. Not to mention, Raikou has one of the worst movepools in the entire game.
The thing about Jolteon isnt his sweeping capability, he screws over Volt-Turn chain. If DW Raikou was released, I'm sure it will be used more.No denying Raikou's movepool is poor, but Jolteon's is even worse for offensive sets. I'd rather have Aura Sphere or even Weather Ball than Baton Pass on a sweeper any day. Also, I know that Raikou has to use rash; thats why I said 329 total speed (neutral base 115) isn't all that bad.
Mamoswine is generally preferred since Scizor (who could just come on in and KO with Bullet Punch) doesn't really like switching in on Earthquakes, and the fact that Mamoswine isn't SR weak.How the hell is mamoswine OU and Weavile UU?
People obviously don't know how to use Weavile anymore. Mamoswine is just a fat pig that has no Swords Dance or Fighting-type moves. I never had any problems with mamo. The Curse set is free Forretress/Ferrothorn/Skarmory bait. Also, mamo can't do more to Scizor than Weavile and he's too slow. He is also the only Pokemon that is weak to Fire, Grass and Water, and Thick Fat does little to improve this due to low special defense.
I don't understand. Mamoswine sucks.
On the other hand there is NO Pokemon that resist the combination Fighting-Dark-Ice. Add Swords Dance, and Weavile becomes an ultra threat that can wreck huge havoc.
He also can use Taunt on a lead set to stop Skarm/Ferro/Forry. He might be frail, but his speed actually compensates for that.
lol. Endeavor mamoswine makes a really effective lead since it can be both and SR lead or an offensive lead depending on your opponent's team. Endeavor+ice shard is an extremely good combo. No joke. A simple LO set can 3 hit KO physically defensive skarmory and given the 30% flinch chance, is highly probable. Mamoswine destroys stall.How the hell is mamoswine OU and Weavile UU?
People obviously don't know how to use Weavile anymore. Mamoswine is just a fat pig that has no Swords Dance or Fighting-type moves. I never had any problems with mamo. The Curse set is free Forretress/Ferrothorn/Skarmory bait. Also, mamo can't do more to Scizor than Weavile and he's too slow. He is also the only Pokemon that is weak to Fire, Grass and Water, and Thick Fat does little to improve this due to low special defense.
I don't understand. Mamoswine sucks.
On the other hand there is NO Pokemon that resist the combination Fighting-Dark-Ice. Add Swords Dance, and Weavile becomes an ultra threat that can wreck huge havoc.
He also can use Taunt on a lead set to stop Skarm/Ferro/Forry. He might be frail, but his speed actually compensates for that.