Umm, I've seriously been arguing the entire time that 99.9% of the people will have somewhat productive lives if given the chance and the proper supports. Please read through my posts and if you honestly want to start debating about special education again, give an alternative, or your "solution" to not having special education in the schools.
Look. This thread is about people who will NEVER get a job, even one as simple as setting silverware or handing out pens. How do these people possibly get anything out of school? Tell me that, and I'll give you an alternative.
Can you prove, beyond all reasonable doubt, that that is the case for a given child? I don't believe so. I don't believe anyone can look at a 5 year-old, or even a 15 year-old, and say what they will or will not be capable of in the future.
What in the world? School can inspire people. Why shouldn't these people get the same access we do? Just because there are alternate means of inspiration doesn't mean they shouldn't have access to the method their parents paid for the same as yours did.
No it's not. This thread is about the people you THINK will never get a job. You can never be fully sure and that's what you're being told, but you're refusing to understand that to further your point. You've been given multiple examples from someone who actually works with the people you are talking about on a daily basis which disproves your theory that they will never function in society.
Sorry, I do know that they will never get a job. These children are confined to a wheelchair, don't have the mental capacity to speak or eat -- what job on EARTH will these people EVER do? Please, tell me that and I will listen to you.
The man with a pet chimp but no children also pays the same taxes, yet we won't provide education for his chimp despite the fact that it would probably be capable of learning as much if not more than some mentally handicapped children.
If that pet chimp had rights, then your argument would be valid; however, "mentally handicapped children" are human and as such are born with the same rights as you were.
But I have the ability now. I learned to speak. They can't. I always had the ability to learn to speak. You have the mental capacity to learn Japanese. These people don't. This post makes absolutely 0 sense...
I've pointed out (multiple times) the fallacies that exist in this argument. Until you come up with something new (other than the "people who will NEVER get a job" argument) then I'm not discussing it further. Read my posts, figure it out.
I honestly don't even know how to respond to this other than a quick statement that people who think like you truly scare me. Where do you draw the line? Do you even have one? Intelligence isn't "difficult" to measure, haha; it has to be DEFINED before you can measure it. So how about we work on defining what intelligence is and then we'll hop into this discussion. Maybe another hundred years or so will give us a concrete answer.
As has been pointed out to you before: mental retardation is NOT the inability to learn; people with mental retardation CAN and DO learn new skills. It just (generally) takes a lot longer to do so.
Sensible... I'm not sure exactly where you're going with this. Do you think special education is bad because a guy who spend the entire lunch period wasting water in the water fountain? I mean, technically he learned a skill through his classes if he was able to turn on the water and was so cognitively impaired that "he had no idea where they were"... :P
Intelligence is the ability to learn, reason, and problem solve.
While it may be difficult to define what it is, it is much easier to say what it isn't. Intelligence is obviously not what the people who can't communicate possess.
You also VMed me a while ago about this. There's this idea that people who create topics can have them locked when it's not going their way / being proven wrong / whatever. That is not the case. A moderator will lock the topic if they feel it's appropriate.
