S Rank:
S Rank
- Goodra's insane combo of offensive and defensive prowess combined with how splashable I think it is put it into S easy. Suspect please :)
S- Rank
- Just doesn't feel
as good as before. Still very splashable pivot with broken ability.
- NP, Defog, Scarf, whatever. This Pokemon is very nice in the meta with an unblockable Volt with any set.
- BIGGGG Copper
- S/O the Gen8 NU goat honse.
- G Vally is nuts. Enough said
A Rank
A+ Rank
- Cleric+good special wall go a long way right now, and Specs/CM sets push it over the top of the meta
- SO good, but I can't consciously put it into S- or on yet until Goodra goes. When it does, expect this to be broke.
- THE anti cheese Pokemon and it holds together many a core in the tier. Always been a Vap fan, and still am.
A Rank
- Good mon, but always makes teams feel very slow and awkward in my experience. I think the future meta will be very kind to this if Goodra goes.
- A bit worse in this meta, but not as bad as I expected as Magic Bounce is ofc why it's here. Without that ability, Xatu is ZU. It needs people to experiment with new sets.
- I think this Pokemon is amazing right now, despite a bunch of the meta development against it. More Plume and Sylv on top of its already great qualities make this a very potent threat.
- Fuck this Pokemon
- It's seen some better days, but Knock is super spammable with Guzz, it has a whole slew of resistances, and Choiced of any kind is very nice. Mixed lowkey is the tech if Weezing ever sees a ton of use, or for Plume.
A- Rank
- Elias put it perfectly when he calls this a scam. I haven't been high on this Pokemon for a while. It's a Fairy that loses to every single Dragon in the tier, a Rock that loses to Normal types in Tauros or random Brav, Plume and G Vally (with other trends) are way better in this meta, etc. Often feels like it takes a lot more support than you expect and it can't act as the pseudo Steel people think it is. Not a fan at all, but offensive needs more exploration.
- Knock+Toxic+SD are obviously good, but in a meta where Goodra exists and AV Copper is almost always the better Steel, I don't like it. Oh, and Hail is gone now. Not being Ground/Fighting weak is notable.
- Kinda meh right now. It was always weird to build with, but now G Vally outclasses it as a Ground breaker. RP sets are very cool if you make it work.
- Consistency is king.
- The Duck Knight has fallen off. It's still probably broken, but FI is less important in a slower meta and most teams pack offensive and defensive checks of sorts. Don't get me wrong, this Pokemon is still insane.
- It's always better when it's played against me.
- Still very very very good, but has fallen off a bit with G Vally/Muds/Talon etc getting more use and the limited set up opportunities outside of Vap. AoA is cool, except you end up losing to Vaporeon in the long run. Oh, never use Scarf either ty.
- Super super good in the meta. Goodra+Lazzle answer and Curse sets are very menacing. This can honestly rise to A in the upcoming weeks.
- Good ass breaker if you can get it to work.
B+ Rank
- Idk this Pokemon Knocks Muds, but it's a G Vally meta, too. If only it had more than 90 atk...
- It's really mid right now. I have liked the Scarf set Corthius used a lot (outspeeds talon!) and it should see more use.
- Honestly an awesome Pokemon from its design to its many offensive sets. Decid is also an underrated Defogger and it beats G Vally
- Very good breaker, but awkward and forces certain builds. 100% worth abusing though.
- It might be literal garbage, but it's far from it in NU. Very solid fight answer, Guzz answer, Sylv answer, Spiker, etc.
- Quag is SO good. Lazzle, Stoise, and G Vally answer in one. Very much more than just a stall Pokemon.
- Nice offensive rocker and Salazzle answer. Reliance on Eviolite and no passive recovery does hold it back a bit.
- If there's no Sylveon or Vileplume, say gg.
- Impossible to switch into, but has felt too susceptible to random chip when I used it.
- Underrated Scarfer/Specs user who appreciates Zong gone like nothing else.
- Yes Mudsdale and G Vally are all over the meta, but Scarf, CB, and set up sets are all very nice.
B Rank
- The definition of mediocre, but hey it's fast.
- I would rate this lower, but I just got beat by a SD Facade set that I thought was fascinating. No SpDef or recovery makes running Doublade hard to justify without heavy support.
- Cool Spiker
- I don't like Dhelmise at all, but beating G Vally is always a niche in this meta.
Feels like a worse Goodra to me. It REALLY hates having no SpDef.
- It's a very good Pokemon in the current meta, but has some noticeable flaws.
- Just good compression like always.
- This is on the come up, but I'm not totally convinced.
- Sub BU sets are lowkey insane again, but it needs to see use before I can raise it up again.
- Nice spinner and Talon Knocker, but if it could beat G Vally too it would be better. Sadly, unlike Dhelm/Decid, U-Turn chunks. Also has a bit of 4MSS.
B- Rank
- Mantine is terrible. Abysmal Defogger, weak af, bad Fight switch in, loses to any SpA running electric coverage (think Goodra or LO Starmie). A bulky water that doesn't let Toxicroak set up is nice, but the amount of support it takes is almost never worth. I often scrap teams that rely on Mantine.
- Often feels like deadweight outside of the Vaporeon MU. Webs are bad in this meta, too.
- I hate how bad this Pokemon is until it faces me. Leech+CM is very usable.
- Who remembers when this Pokemon was broken? Weird
- It beats Copper!
- I think Sand is super unexplored and this Pokemon is solid on its own.
- This isn't terrible at all. G Vally answer and Knock? Very nice.
- Sand moment. But also, Accelerock, CC, and the great speed tier make this a viable CB/LO user.
- Ghostvally must have potential, right?
- Rise above the haters and give it a try.
C Rank:
C+ Rank
- I'm open to seeing more of this Pokemon.
- I thought this Pokemon was really cool until I used it. You almost never force progress.
- It's a very budget Stoise.
- It had its moment to shine, but that isn't right now.
- I'm calling it now: Ho3n breaks sand next.
- Toge is a Pokemon you run if you want to lose.
- Takes heavy support, but it's usable. It's hard in a Goodra meta.
- Steelvally is mid, but compression.
- Fast Ice Type is always nice.
- No Heatproof Zong? Hello Turtonator
C Rank
- Why use it right now? Very niche rocker.
- Asstrier sucks.
- I miss the meta where this Pokemon needed to be banned.
- Meh it's fine.