Can't we just say that Ditto is Ditto and Ranger Mike is trolling us?
I think Ranger Mike's actually making a good point. Ditto would be able to check anything if it runs a super-effective move. He'd be like a niche Pokemon, capable of easily countering most offensive threats with a Choice Scarf. But there are some Pokemon that had a pre-evolution that was weak to a move, but the final evolution isn't anymore, such as Scizor having Diamond Storm since Scyther was weak to it, making Ditto's niche a bit situational, but effective nonetheless.Can't we just say that Ditto is Ditto and Ranger Mike is trolling us?
Okay, this makes sense to me now. I doubt it'd be OU in this metagame, however.I think Ranger Mike's actually making a good point. Ditto would be able to check anything if it runs a super-effective move. He'd be like a niche Pokemon, capable of easily countering most offensive threats with a Choice Scarf. But there are some Pokemon that had a pre-evolution that was weak to a move, but the final evolution isn't anymore, such as Scizor having Diamond Storm since Scyther was weak to it, making Ditto's niche a bit situational, but effective nonetheless.
Probably BL.Okay, this makes sense to me now. I doubt it'd be OU in this metagame, however.
Ditto would never get banned from a tier (thus would never be BL) because Ditto is only as good as the Pokemon in the tier.Probably BL.
Good point.Ditto would never get banned from a tier (thus would never be BL) because Ditto is only as good as the Pokemon in the tier.
I don't mark anyone for tardiness, so don't sweat it. :)Guys has anyone stated that
1 mega mawile gets v-create
2 rotom w with leech seed/spikey shield/ cotten gaurd
3 latios/latias get quiver dance
Sorry if im late on these and theyve been stated i showed up tardy to the party
Nope. Chandelure only has Shadow Tag in B/W, and has Infiltrator now, so his hidden ability stays Infiltrator.Is shadow tag allowed on chandelure since it technically got it in gen 5?
Swoobat isn't weak to Bug.Wait a minute, your telling me Kyurem-B gets Shift Gear, Dragonite gets Geomany, Magnezone gets Fire Blast, Greninja has the best move pool ever, and Espeon gets Tail Glow?!
My god, so many ideas.
EDIT: Tail Glow Swoobat, anyone?
Geomancy requires lefties to be replaced and do you really want to run roost? Shift gear is pretty cool and there arent to many steel types for magnezone to trap greninja is pretty awesome its like s+ rank espeon is never to be used offensivly and in such an offensive metagame you shouldnt be trying to baton pass.Wait a minute, your telling me Kyurem-B gets Shift Gear, Dragonite gets Geomany, Magnezone gets Fire Blast, Greninja has the best move pool ever, and Espeon gets Tail Glow?!
My god, so many ideas.
EDIT: Tail Glow Swoobat, anyone?
I'm not sure about Espeon. In this meta, it gets Secret Sword from Eevee, and can bounce back nasty status moves like Spore, two big advantages that no other Psychic type gets.Geomancy requires lefties to be replaced and do you really want to run roost? Shift gear is pretty cool and there arent to many steel types for magnezone to trap greninja is pretty awesome its like s+ rank espeon is never to be used offensivly and in such an offensive metagame you shouldnt be trying to baton pass.
I agree with you that espeon is good but its best off being a support mon as opposed to a sweeperI'm not sure about Espeon. In this meta, it gets Secret Sword from Eevee, and can bounce back nasty status moves like Spore, two big advantages that no other Psychic type gets.
While it is 4mss at its finest even after a ad I fell got hotels is to slow to taunt a lot if pokes even at +1Wobbuffet and Gothitelle get Quiver Dance and Heal Order :O (and in Wobbuffet's case, it actually gets decent attacking moves)
A set like this could destroy stall teams:
Gothitelle @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: IDK but I guess u want him to be bulky
- Trick
- Taunt
- Quiver Dance
- Special Attack of your choice
Switch in when the opponent's poke is using a non-attacking move, trick a scarf, taunt, set-up, profit.
Edit: Actually, a recovery move or a second coverage move is probably better than taunt, since u can already set-up without it.
Bro, you won't need to use Roost after +2 Speed, SAtk and SDef boosts. All you're gonna worry about is Ice Shard. Also, Roost is not uncommon on Dragonite.Geomancy requires lefties to be replaced and do you really want to run roost? Shift gear is pretty cool and there arent to many steel types for magnezone to trap greninja is pretty awesome its like s+ rank espeon is never to be used offensivly and in such an offensive metagame you shouldnt be trying to baton pass.
That thread literally ended 15 minutes agoBefore we start talking about Baton Pass, we should wait for the Baton Pass discussion to end, so we can see if it gets a clause of sorts. If you want to add your thoughts to the subject, here's the link to the thread. http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...tions-to-nerf-full-baton-pass-chains.3504331/
This is true. But we didn't reach a conclusion whether or not Baton Pass should be banned/claused, so I'd rather hold off on BP conversation until a decision has been made.That thread literally ended 15 minutes ago
For the Meowstic set, I personally prefer Topsy-Turvy, Destiny Bond, Parting Shot, and Taunt, pretty much anti-set up. Someone else on my team has Spore, so I didn't think Dark Void was that necessary.Ya'll jizzing over set-up sweepers and just ignoring the two new kids on the block, meowstic-m and mega-bannette.
Pranksters with topsy-turvy, straight from hackmons now in your meta.also riolu with heart swap.
Anyway, mega-Bannette. Best mega? Maybe not, but definitely good now. A set that looks something like this would wreck faces and just generally make set up sweepers cry (pfft, shit gear and tail glow are for nerds)
Banette @ Banettite
- Topsy-Turvy
- Destiny Bond
- Shadow Force
- Dark Void
Meowstic-M here is a bit hilarious, in addition to running all the things it could before (and more) a fun set could be one that I'm going to call "the hypocrite".
Meowstic (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Prankster
- Topsy-Turvy
- Tail Glow
- Thunderbolt
- Psyshock
The idea here is to switch in on a set up, topsy turvy, then do the exact thing they were going for...setting up. There are probably (definitely) better sets but that just seems like so much fun to do.