Kit Kasai
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So is basically every other OM and they still have their own banlistsThis meta is based on OU banlist, right? If so, I don't see the reason of banning Shadow Tag in Gothitelle when OU doesn't ban it.
So is basically every other OM and they still have their own banlistsThis meta is based on OU banlist, right? If so, I don't see the reason of banning Shadow Tag in Gothitelle when OU doesn't ban it.
as genVI UU can attest to a tier with no rain is better than a tier dominated by rain.Personally, I don't think that banning either Drizzle or Swiftswim outright would be the greatest of solutions. Banning Drizzle will neuter rain entirely, while banning swift swim, which is likely the better option of the two, would indirectly ban any mons whose only ability is swift swim (namely mega swampert). I'd like to see how a complex-ish ban on Drizzle+Swiftswim ban would work, as it seemed to do ok in gen 5. One major upside to this is that it allows rain teams to still work, just making them somewhat slower, and it allows odd things such as Swiftswimmers with rain dance to work still. The biggest downside to my proposal is that it is still a complex ban, and Tier Shift's userbase is already low enough without complex bans.
5 turns are more manageable than 8. What about suspecting Damp Rock?
the difference is rain dance decreases the possible amount of turns you can abuse rain and removes a move slot.That just kinda makes it luck based, as you could get 5-8 without it. Besides, there's still a decent chance you'll get neutered in 5 turns anyways.
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I'm a quite large fan of an outright Swift Swim ban, myself. Yes I know it functionally kills a few things but there's a reason Aldaron's proposal wouldnt be as effective here: manual rain setters.
Manual rain is actually quite easy to set in TS, setters the like of Prankster Thundurus and Liepard, and just fast mons like Accelgor can set it so easily its stupid. Plus, they usually bring even more presence than Politoed. If we just ban Drizzle or go with Aldaron's Proposal, we're gonna be in a pretty similar issue still.
With Damp Rock you get the same number of turns. If you use like bulky thundurus, you can theoretically get even more turns with a slow volt switch into your SS userthe difference is rain dance decreases the possible amount of turns you can abuse rain and removes a move slot.
politoed can run damp rock too.With Damp Rock you get the same number of turns. If you use like bulky thundurus, you can theoretically get even more turns with a slow volt switch into your SS user
The only thing these replays convince me of is that Peef Rimgar needs to git gud.Ok, so I have replays with a rain team modified to fit these ban requirements.
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/tiershift-239353622 Normal Rain Team
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/tiershift-239356277 Without Damp Rock
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/tiershift-239358733 Without Drizzle
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/tiershift-239360396 Without Ludicolo and Kabutops
I suggest watching those. I know that plays determine the outcome of the battle, and hax, and maybe my team was better with some than others. However, none of these options nerf rain as much as we anticipated.
Banning Damp Rock makes rain disappear faster, but that isn't much of an issue since rain sweepers are so powerful. It also doesn't affect rain teams much due to Politoed's huge bulk and switchin opportunities.
Banning Drizzle still doesn't affect rain teams that much, as there are other capable setters such as Tornadus (who can also abuse it!) and Klefki.
And lastly, banning Ludicolo and Kabutops, while probably the most effective out of these 3 options, still doesn't nerf it as much as it needs to be. Other swift swimmers are almost as good, including Beartic (lol), Omastar, and Kingdra!
Therefor, at this point, I believe the only option is to ban Swift Swim in general, as rain teams without them are quite useless, and definitely not overpowered.
I would assume it's the same as the Mega Pokemon receiving the boost, not the item. Politoed itself is NU, and Drizzle being banned in NU doesn't mean Politoed doesn't still have it, it just can't use it. It makes sense to have the boosts, similar to Mega Pokemon.Refresh my drink. Why does Politoed have NU boosts with a non NU ability?