Serious US Election Thread (read post #2014)

[vonFiedler]

2. advocating INequality by suggesting black lives are somehow more important than others.

Black Lives Matter is an effort to express that Black Lives ALSO Matter because frankly, most of the time it doesn't seem like it. To take that movement and immediately paste "whites too" over it is just a big "nu-uh"

I know I might as well be posting filled in black bars for all you are willing to listen, but the above is the god's honest truth of the matter.


If people don't want to be called racists, don't say racist things, don't do racist things, don't support people who build their platforms out of doing and saying racist things. I thought this was a low bar when I was a 12 year old supporter of George W. Bush, but I guess the GOP that my parents raised me as a part of has changed.

You all keep making things out like Liberals did that. Conservatives did this. The fact of the matter is that lots of liberals and conservatives didn't vote along party lines this election. I didn't. So when I'm saying that people who voted for Trump are racist, I'm not saying that all conservatives are. Hell, maybe some voters even had their reasons. But if your reason, and if you are posting diarrhea here then you've probably already said this is your reason, is that you voted for an avowed racist because you were tired of being criticized, then you did nothing but pat yourself on the back for your own white pride while endangering the lives of minorities all over the country. That's racism.

And you want to put us in a box and say that we can't call you out on racism, implying that this will only cause you act out further for racist interests? Well tough fucking shit. I stand up for what I believe in. It doesn't make a bit of difference to me if a group of people who couldn't win the popular vote wants to set the world on fire.

Idealism is dead. Long live cynicism.

 

[xJownage]

Black Lives Matter is an effort to express that Black Lives ALSO Matter because frankly, most of the time it doesn't seem like it. To take that movement and immediately paste "whites too" over it is just a big "nu-uh"

I know I might as well be posting filled in black bars for all you are willing to listen, but the above is the god's honest truth of the matter.


If people don't want to be called racists, don't say racist things, don't do racist things, don't support people who build their platforms out of doing and saying racist things. I thought this was a low bar when I was a 12 year old supporter of George W. Bush, but I guess the GOP that my parents raised me as a part of has changed.

The issue isn't that we're doing racist things; the issue is that we're being called racist and misogynist for disagreeing with the media or far left's opinion on racism and misogyny. Quite frankly, Third wave feminism is an absolute fucking joke and the new definitions of harassment are just disgusting. What are their goals anyways? Championing equality? Or getting men arrested for saying hi to women in the streets.

I'm not saying YOU'RE like this, I'm saying you CAN'T disagree that there are MANY who are.

I don't agree with police brutality either. While I think having better background checks and a more thorough interviewing process would be good, just because a few policemen are racist, assholes, or use poor judgment doesn't mean all of them do. Furthermore, have you seen the way blacks treat policemen in the ghettos? Police hatred goes LONG beyond recent cases of police brutality and quite frankly i'd get impatient as fuck dealing with people who call me racist CONSTANTLY for arresting them because they were selling crack. Again, I don't really think it's some massive racism problem.

My problem with SJWs is simple. You campaign for a one-sided balance while thinking of equality in terms of black men and white women.

And you edited your post after i posted, but I will say again I'm not speaking for myself. I voted for Trump because I hate everything clinton stands for and have faith in trump's business experience making him a better president than a career liar. (not that i think he'll be any good)

 

[Soul Fly]

How exactly is "all lives matter" bullshit rhetoric? Isn't that the point of equality? If you try to tell me that's not politically correct you're 1. proving my point about PC being taken too far and 2. advocating INequality by suggesting black lives are somehow more important than others.

The "issue" is that people are sick of being told to "check their privilege" and feel like their problems are rendered irrelevant in this world that seems to insist everybody is racist and misogynist. Now SJWs are saying we're all racist and misogynist because we voted for trump...despite the fact that we voted for trump because we hate being called racist for not supporting the ferguson riots, and are furthermore harassed for having a different opinion.

Yes. Because when I say "Save Rainforests" it automatically means "fuck all other kinds of forests".

You are a genius at rhetoric. I'm dazzled.

 

[OLD GREGG (im back baby)]

I try to help liberate people from the silly emotions they feel toward certain things.
They say your vote matters, but I suspect there are many among us who feel the opposite. I understand this is a thread about the election, I understand people think elections are important. Maybe they are, maybe not. Who's to say what is important? If you don't have a supersized stack of cash, nobody is going to listen regardless of what's to say. I'm not here to push my nihilistic opinions onto others, just to add a different perspective. Thanksgiving is coming up and Christmas is right around the corner. I Strongly urge everyone reading this to spend time with the fam and minimize internet activity. The ills of the world will still be there after the holidays, give yourselves a break. Peace.

 

[TheValkyries]

xJownage: I explicitly and intentionally pointed out that the reasoning is saying "this behavior is racist" not "you are racist". But as always when it comes to calling out racist(or sexist) thoughts people cannot and refuse to divorce themselves from the truth value of their opinions. Spoiler alert: due to the systemic nature of racism and sexism everyone has beliefs founded upon racist and sexist understandings of people. Literally everyone learns all these things through osmosis because we live in a society dominated built and structured around those ideas. The reality of all SJW fights is they want accountability. They want people to OWN the fact that they learned these things to address these thoughts consciously and combat them by striving to DO BETTER than just blithely accepting pure racist/sexist/classist mythos.

On the issue of Police Brutality it is not the left who accuses individual officers of racism, it is the right in their frantic attempt to scapegoat individuals rather than admit there's a sickness in the system itself. Policing is racist, not those who carry out the process. Policing strategies like the War on Drugs or Stop and Frisk have all been proven to have extreme racial aim and effects. Why arrest people selling crack and not those selling cocaine? Why are police dispatched into certain areas over others why are certain crimes more egregious than others and they just all "happen" to fall along racial demographic lines? Why is it that Black people are sentenced more punishingly than white people for the exact same crimes?


I mean there's also a lot to unpack about feminism and its branches and various failings of non-intersectional feminism, and there's also stuff to unpack about street harassment and how it's not just dudes going and saying hi to women on the street. But I'm not interested in having the "minutiae" conversation anymore, I'm tired of saying "this thing is damaging according to many and here's why" and being told "no I disagree with you it is not damaging this happens all the time they're too sensitive gaslight gaslight gaslight".

 

[Gammafire]

That face when you realize liberals hate socialism more than fascism.

Technically fascism is socialism (The Nazi Party was also called the National Socialist German Workers Party, and when it was created it was very much a socialist party). But that's just the pedantic side of me.

America 2016: where people elect the president based off how many people it pisses off

This is probably the worst effect that echo chambers and the self-centered culture that we have in America (and to an extent, the western world). It was depressing to see Sanders supporters say "Bernie lost, so I'll vote Trump just to f*ck everyone else over!" Old_Gregg is right that we should all take a break from the internet. For all the good that it has brought, it has brought just as much hate and it has made people forget that they aren't the center of the universe.

And on another note, even though I supported Hillary, I was willing to give Trump a chance until he chose Bannon as his advisor. I mean, all three of his favorite kids are married to Jews, but he deliberately chooses someone that has run one of the most anti-semitic news-sites. Talk about being an asshole to your own family.

But I think that this thread has covered almost everything that it should have covered, and I think that this discussion should be moved to some political thread, because there's a lot more to talk about in the wonderful world of politics than just this stupid election.

 

[verbatim]

This is probably the worst effect that echo chambers and the self-centered culture that we have in America (and to an extent, the western world).

This has a lot more to do with the Internet than anything else, it's not just America.

Facebook and Google have gotten a lot of shit in the past few months for not screening out lots of false stories (both ways) that mainly serve to drive people further apart.

 

[TheValkyries]

Technically fascism is socialism (The Nazi Party was also called the National Socialist German Workers Party, and when it was created it was very much a socialist party). But that's just the pedantic side of me.

Oh yeah for sure except that's the complete opposite of true. The Nazi party was born from the remnants of the Freikorps which were literally used to attack striking workers and to put down the beginnings of a communist insurgency post WWI. The use of the term socialism in their party name was a subversive attempt to weaken the power of actual socialist movements and lure workers away from leftist ideals. The Nazi ideology was rooted in social Darwinism and racism and was very far-right wing.

Get a refund from whoever taught you that they started off as socialists.

 

[xJownage]

xJownage: I explicitly and intentionally pointed out that the reasoning is saying "this behavior is racist" not "you are racist". But as always when it comes to calling out racist(or sexist) thoughts people cannot and refuse to divorce themselves from the truth value of their opinions. Spoiler alert: due to the systemic nature of racism and sexism everyone has beliefs founded upon racist and sexist understandings of people. Literally everyone learns all these things through osmosis because we live in a society dominated built and structured around those ideas. The reality of all SJW fights is they want accountability. They want people to OWN the fact that they learned these things to address these thoughts consciously and combat them by striving to DO BETTER than just blithely accepting pure racist/sexist/classist mythos.

On the issue of Police Brutality it is not the left who accuses individual officers of racism, it is the right in their frantic attempt to scapegoat individuals rather than admit there's a sickness in the system itself. Policing is racist, not those who carry out the process. Policing strategies like the War on Drugs or Stop and Frisk have all been proven to have extreme racial aim and effects. Why arrest people selling crack and not those selling cocaine? Why are police dispatched into certain areas over others why are certain crimes more egregious than others and they just all "happen" to fall along racial demographic lines? Why is it that Black people are sentenced more punishingly than white people for the exact same crimes?


I mean there's also a lot to unpack about feminism and its branches and various failings of non-intersectional feminism, and there's also stuff to unpack about street harassment and how it's not just dudes going and saying hi to women on the street. But I'm not interested in having the "minutiae" conversation anymore, I'm tired of saying "this thing is damaging according to many and here's why" and being told "no I disagree with you it is not damaging this happens all the time they're too sensitive gaslight gaslight gaslight".

Again, your reasoning isn't because of racism, which implies a slant against a race, but rather because of actual data. If you want to call me racist for what i'm about to say, go ahead. Let's be honest. The VAST majority of any city's crime occurs in the ghetto, and the ghetto is almost ALWAYS black. When you talk about systemic police racism in terms of black men you aren't realizing that they target ghettos and not black people. You can insist they target black people all you want but the reality is they aren't targeting black people, they are targeting the place in which crime is maximized. If that happens to be a primarily black population, you can't jump to the conclusion of racism. As for certain crimes being more egregious than others, I need an example to try to understand because for all I know that's just BS fed by the media. As for the crack vs cocaine thing, I'm turning the question on you because I'm not even aware of this.

Im sorry but if you believe blacks and women are mentally the same person as white men you're a fucking idiot. There is something called culture that fundamentally changes the way we think and makes many of us vastly different from our counterparts, but the reality is that white men often have a very different thought process than black men, due to basic culture and upbringing. Do you know when this will change? When we stop thinking about racism in terms of white and black men. The same thing goes for females, who will ALWAYS have a different mental makeup than males. This isn't rocket science. Sluts vs studs is a very common argument, but there's a biological imperative for it.

Again, stop championing SJWs. These people are pathetic cowards who aren't interested in trying to convince people and just drown out anybody who disagrees with them by calling them racist and misogynist. If you're supporting black lives matter and all these other things, I can understand, but SJWs have disguised intolerance with tolerance for way too long and many have had more than enough. SJWs are really just an avenue for many teenagers who feel little self-worth to blame the world for being unfair to them by putting titles on everybody that disagrees with them. They're ignorant human beings. And I'm sorry but when the primary argument for SJWs is "microaggressions" I can't help but laugh at them. Do they ever think of REAL racial and sexual problems that exist in our society? Instead of doing such they target the majority, who's NOT racist or sexist at large, and then smother them out like a gang and drown out their defenses. Again, microaggressions. It's almost condescending with how petulant that is!

 

[Cresselia~~]

Black Lives Matter is an effort to express that Black Lives ALSO Matter because frankly, most of the time it doesn't seem like it. To take that movement and immediately paste "whites too" over it is just a big "nu-uh"

I know I might as well be posting filled in black bars for all you are willing to listen, but the above is the god's honest truth of the matter.


If people don't want to be called racists, don't say racist things, don't do racist things, don't support people who build their platforms out of doing and saying racist things. I thought this was a low bar when I was a 12 year old supporter of George W. Bush, but I guess the GOP that my parents raised me as a part of has changed.

So you think that the statistics from the police is so different from the statistics BLM presented, just because the police is biased for obvious reasons?
As if BLM isn't also biased and manipulated its statistics?

Honestly, I'd believe neither of them. The real statistics should be somewhere in the middle of those two.

I think BLM is making people victimizing themselves, just like how modern day feminazis want females to victimize themselves, over threats that are at least exaggerated at best.

That said, don't you think the SJW's rage towards Trump is overly exaggerated when it comes to Latinos?
Trump said ILLEGAL immigrants.
SJW filter: Trump said ALL immigrants and he has problems with Latinos.

I'm pretty sure he means "Not all Mexicans are bad, but when Mexico sends people to USA, it's not the good portion of the people who ends up in USA."
I just really don't think he ever meant all Mexicans are bad and are criminals.
I don't understand how somebody can possibly filter so much out of his words.
"They're rapists" in which "they" refers to the bad portion of Mexicans-- ie: not all Mexicans.

PS: So many professional victims claiming Trump said all Mexicans.

 

[Cresselia~~]

at 1:24

Not surprised that this doesn't go on mainstream media since English medias are predominantly so disgustingly left leaning.
All those damn filters, lmao.

Don't want to see my posts?
Either put me on your ignore list, or change the title to "Leftists exclusive tear club" or something.
Clearly like more than 80% of you are leftists.
If you think you are so correct, you don't need to gang up, because you'd only need to believe in yourself.

EDIT: I wasn't the one who double posted. There was originally a comment in between of my posts.

 

[JES]

Because it's impossible to level criticism against Soros and Yellen without also hating all Jewish people, right? And instead of addressing that criticism you label it a anti-Semitic conspiracy theory and beat him over the head with it, because that isn't the same kind of cheap political brow-beating that let him win the election in the first place?

I really hate it when you people make me defend Trump, because I'm by no means a fan of his either, but when you quote demonstrably ridiculous nonsense like this I have no choice. Please stop it.

Unfortunately, I have to side with Divine Retribution on this. I'm of Jewish decent, and didn't find his add to be anti-semitic. Sure, the individuals listed are Jews or of Jewish decent, but that can't be helped. At best, it is blowing a dog-whistle. Not that isn't already having consequences.

I'm honestly more concerned with Trump's choice of Stephen Bannon as Chief Strategist for his cabinet, and that he might surround himself with other idiots. Idiots in charge of one of the most powerful countries on the planet.

And let's not forget that White Supremacist groups like Trump. Usually, if they approve of something or someone, that is a bad thing for everyone else.

If there is this popular rhetoric supported/not slammed down on by the Trump Administration that anyone who is a Jew is bad, that is when I think it will be time to buy an assault rifle, because I have no intention of not being able to defend myself. Fortunately, my white skin and lack of practicing my religion probably means I'm safer than those who have different skin colors, so long as I'm careful about bringing up my heritage.

Everything else that Solace listed is true, and we have an unbelievably horrible person that is supposed to lead the United States. I still think the next 4 years at least might be a dark period in this country's history.

Man, I cannot WAIT for 4 more years of Trump because of people like VonFiedler.

There's gonna be more salt than french fries to put it on!

Be extremely careful what you wish for. You just might get it.

at 1:24

Not surprised that this doesn't go on mainstream media since English medias are predominantly so disgustingly left leaning.
All those damn filters, lmao.

Don't want to see my posts?
Either put me on your ignore list, or change the title to "Leftists exclusive tear club" or something.
Clearly like more than 80% of you are leftists.
If you think you are so correct, you don't need to gang up, because you'd only need to believe in yourself.

EDIT: I wasn't the one who double posted. There was originally a comment in between of my posts.

It was once said that hydrogen and stupidity are the two most common commodities in the universe. Just goes to say that there are liberals who are idiots too, and not just conservatives.

 

[Blazade]

If you think you are so correct, you don't need to gang up, because you'd only need to believe in yourself.

The thing about social change is when people are heavily inclined to follow the culture that surrounds them you can't just sit there, believe in yourself, and hope people will eventually realize you're correct.

Some people take things too far or are very vindictive but many are simply scared, concerned, or observant. Just don't go on Tumblr if you want to avoid immature and terrible people lol.

 

[Cresselia~~]

The thing about social change is when people are heavily inclined to follow the culture that surrounds them you can't just sit there, believe in yourself, and hope people will eventually realize you're correct.

Some people take things too far or are very vindictive but many are simply scared, concerned, or observant. Just don't go on Tumblr if you want to avoid immature and terrible people lol.

I understand some people who are not white would feel scared for being assaulted on the streets, and I agree that the situation is being worse for them.
But I'm just pointing out that there are bad people on both sides, and being white doesn't mean you are automatically safe.

Right now what mainstream media wants us to believe is that Trump supporters are bad people who'll assault Muslims and immigrants on the streets.
In other words, they are trying to demonize Trump supporters.
Which is, quite different from just saying "Trump supporters are racists".

 

[vonFiedler]

So you think that the statistics from the police is so different from the statistics BLM presented, just because the police is biased for obvious reasons?
As if BLM isn't also biased and manipulated its statistics?

My post has nothing to do with this at all. But I've only ever used the statistics provided by the federal bureau of investigation, which support BLM's claims.

Lol that you are actively talking about picking and choosing data to support your thesis though.


You also just made a big rant about him only targeting illegal Mexicans but then post a big picture quote where he doesn't make that distinction.

 

[Cresselia~~]

You also just made a big rant about him only targeting illegal Mexicans but then post a big picture quote where he doesn't make that distinction.

The problem is, I really do think that the big picture quote I posted targets illegal Mexicans instead of all Mexicans.

 

[xJownage]

My post has nothing to do with this at all. But I've only ever used the statistics provided by the federal bureau of investigation, which support BLM's claims.

Lol that you are actively talking about picking and choosing data to support your thesis though.


You also just made a big rant about him only targeting illegal Mexicans but then post a big picture quote where he doesn't make that distinction.

Again, your reasoning isn't because of racism, which implies a slant against a race, but rather because of actual data. If you want to call me racist for what i'm about to say, go ahead. Let's be honest. The VAST majority of any city's crime occurs in the ghetto, and the ghetto is almost ALWAYS black. When you talk about systemic police racism in terms of black men you aren't realizing that they target ghettos and not black people. You can insist they target black people all you want but the reality is they aren't targeting black people, they are targeting the place in which crime is maximized. If that happens to be a primarily black population, you can't jump to the conclusion of racism. As for certain crimes being more egregious than others, I need an example to try to understand because for all I know that's just BS fed by the media. As for the crack vs cocaine thing, I'm turning the question on you because I'm not even aware of this.

If you can prove that the intent of the police raids or anything else is objectively targeting BLACKS and not THE AREAS WITH MAXIMIZED CRIME, I'll be willing to agree with you.

 

[shaian]

you'd have to be ignoring a lot of historical and socioeconomic context to think that

 

[xJownage]

you'd have to be ignoring a lot of historical and socioeconomic context to think that

This isn't the 1960s anymore. socioeconomic context? All i'm hearing is you think context makes most police systemically racist.

 

[Cresselia~~]

This isn't the 1960s anymore. socioeconomic context? All i'm hearing is you think context makes most police systemically racist.

I don't see how being racially biased would be beneficial to the police at all.
It's ridiculous how people think the police has a reason to be racist.

Why can't people just accept that black people statistically do commit more crimes?
Probably not genetics, but poor people do commit more crimes, and most black people in USA are poor.

But maybe I'm biased because my father used to work in the disciplinary forces.

 

[vonFiedler]

Why can't people just accept that black people statistically do commit more crimes?
Probably not genetics, but poor people do commit more crimes, and most black people in USA are poor.

And since more poor people commit crime, and more black people are poor, more cops target black people. More black people go to jail than they statically should (esp when you factor in the private prison lobby that has made America one of the highest prison population nations on the planet), which makes them and their future generations more poor.

A socioeconomic cycle that perpetuates blacks as a lower class of citizen. Why do you have 0 interest in breaking a cycle like this?

 

[Cresselia~~]

And since more poor people commit crime, and more black people are poor, more cops target black people. More black people go to jail than they statically should (esp when you factor in the private prison lobby that has made America one of the highest prison population nations on the planet), which makes them and their future generations more poor.

A socioeconomic cycle that perpetuates blacks as a lower class of citizen. Why do you have 0 interest in breaking a cycle like this?

A lot of Hispanic immigrants go to USA with nothing with them, and they have no problem becoming rich later in their lives.

But that aside, how about income based affirmative action for college?

My dad was born shortly after a war, and he lived in something similar to a refugee camp.
No money for shoes or slippers.
No money for glass windows.
But he had no problem becoming rich neither.

 

[vonFiedler]

A lot of Hispanic immigrants go to USA with nothing with them, and they have no problem becoming rich later in their lives.

No, a LOT don't. Give me numbers, I guarantee you no one could call the result "a lot". The myth of the American dream works against all races really, but the extremely few minorities who make it rich don't break the cycle for all the ones living in poverty. We don't need a small amount of rich minorities, we need literally half of the ones in poverty to be middle class, as that is what it would take to be consistent with whites.

But that aside, how about income based affirmative action for college?

Careful, you're gonna trigger some people.

 

[macle]

at 1:24

Not surprised that this doesn't go on mainstream media since English medias are predominantly so disgustingly left leaning.
All those damn filters, lmao.

http://www.snopes.com/black-mob-beats-white-man-for-voting-trump/

 

[Cresselia~~]

No, a LOT don't. Give me numbers, I guarantee you no one could call the result "a lot". The myth of the American dream works against all races really, but the extremely few minorities who make it rich don't break the cycle for all the ones living in poverty. We don't need a small amount of rich minorities, we need literally half of the ones in poverty to be middle class, as that is what it would take to be consistent with whites.



Careful, you're gonna trigger some people.

Well, maybe I remembered it wrongly.

http://www.snopes.com/black-mob-beats-white-man-for-voting-trump/

Police say the incident stemmed from a traffic altercation, not politics.

Then why are they shouting "he voted Trump" not once, but repeatedly in the video then?