I swear if swadloon actually gets popular I'll run brave bird on my pdons
Why did Swadloon come along tho as a spore user though? I might run Brave Bird on all GALE WINGS users I have. (Also putting Gale Wings on any flying-type with only flying-type moves is also pretty fun to do :P)I swear if swadloon actually gets popular I'll run brave bird on my pdons
First of all; Dragon ascent > Brave bird. Second of all, Oblivion wing on gale wings sets goes perfect together.Why did Swadloon come along tho as a spore user though? I might run Brave Bird on all GALE WINGS users I have. (Also putting Gale Wings on any flying-type with only flying-type moves is also pretty fun to do :P)
I've run Oblivion Wing (Recovery), Brave Bird, Dragon Ascent (both for strong damage, with Oblivion wing healing off of the damage that Brave Bird causes to the user), and Aeroblast (For Strong Special Damage on Special Walls) ON ONE SET (With Gale Wings and a Flying-Type Pokemon with all of the previous things mentioned for additional power) and it actually works out really well, as long as whoever is being attacked doesn't resist all the Flying-Type spam, although I only use this on one Pokemon, not more than one, when I might need things like Mold Breaker for Sturdy Shedinja or something that resists the -ates currently (such as Registeel) for all the powerful -ate users like Mega Rayquaza and Mega Diancie. Also what would be a powerful Refrigerate user in BH currently?First of all; Dragon ascent > Brave bird. Second of all, Oblivion wing on gale wings sets goes perfect together.
Kyurem-Black or MMX i believeI've run Oblivion Wing (Recovery), Brave Bird, Dragon Ascent (both for strong damage, with Oblivion wing healing off of the damage that Brave Bird causes to the user), and Aeroblast (For Strong Special Damage on Special Walls) ON ONE SET (With Gale Wings and a Flying-Type Pokemon with all of the previous things mentioned for additional power) and it actually works out really well, as long as whoever is being attacked doesn't resist all the Flying-Type spam, although I only use this on one Pokemon, not more than one, when I might need things like Mold Breaker for Sturdy Shedinja or something that resists the -ates currently (such as Registeel) for all the powerful -ate users like Mega Rayquaza and Mega Diancie. Also what would be a powerful Refrigerate user in BH currently?
I strongly disagree with fighting being a bad typing in the current meta. Otherwise i agree with everything else. Mega Ray's Tail Glow Gale wings are also significant and make it much more meta defining then Kyu-B.I'll bite.
Ho-Oh: Fire/Flying is completely shut down by stuff like Regirock and T-Tar. Giratina effectively walls Contrary sets with nearly any ability since Ho-Oh cannot boost its power with Superpower. Eviolite Imposter should be able to live a hit and Skill Swap, shutting down a subbed Ho-Oh in its tracks. It also lacks the raw offensive power to bypass some Unawares. Its Aerilate sets are significantly weaker than Mega-Rays, which its main niche of having a STAB-method of bypassing Registeel and Aegislash and also being bulkier. Its insane weakness to Stealth Rocks mandates support from a defogger or spinner or requires using Magic Guard.
Ferrothorn: It lacks raw stats and it considered outclassed by Mega-Venusaur as a Grass-type and Registeel/Aegislash as a Steel-type for a reason. It's utterly destroyed by Mega-Ray despite not being weak to Flying. Besides, typing doesn't matter when you struggle to take neutral hits anyway. Ferro does have some niche uses that could potentially justify a D-rating, but no higher.
Mega-Ray: Its offensive capabilities pretty much define what is and isn't viable as a defensive Pokemon right now. Seriously, there's nothing more to be said here.
Kyu-B: Ray Boombursts better, period. Kyu-B also only checks Ray since it struggles to switch into Boomburst. Since Kyu-B cannot effectively run mixed sets, its force to physical, which means Fur Coat users and stuff shut it down easily. Its powerful, sure, but the main reason to use it over Diancie and Ray are bulk and typing. Otherwise, those are better -ates.
Xtwo: Mewtwo pretty much needs to run a Protean set so as to not be demolished by Diancie and Ray. Fridge-two is weaker than Kyu-B at it and, again, only checks Ray and doesn't even do that vs Diancie. And only if Ray doesn't have a usable Fake Out on that turn. All non-Protean sets are either checked or countered by Ray and Diancie. Also, Fighting is a rather bad typing in the current mega, unless you're Gengar.
Offensively, what does Fighting cover that Fire or Ground doesn't? The only things I can think of are SE hits on Chansey, Gyrados-M, Gigas, Kyurem, and really killing T-Tar hard. And even then, without Contrary, physical Fighting is self-harmful or weight dependent and, specially, you have Aura Sphere, Focus Miss, and Secret Sword... the last of which is actually good, hence why Gengar likes it.I strongly disagree with fighting being a bad typing in the current meta. Otherwise i agree with everything else. Mega Ray's Tail Glow Gale wings are also significant and make it much more meta defining then Kyu-B.
Rayquaza is faster than kyurem, so in a 1v1 situation, rayquaza wins with fake speed anyways.)
Actually...
4 SpA Aerilate Mega Rayquaza Boomburst vs. 240 HP / 0 SpD Kyurem-B: 358-423 (79.3 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Aerilate Mega Rayquaza Extreme Speed vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Kyurem-B: 217-256 (48.1 - 56.7%) -- 89.1% chance to 2HKO
-2 252+ Atk Refrigerate Kyurem-B Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Mega Rayquaza: 508-604 (144.7 - 172%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Standard Fridge Kyu-B checks standard Aerilate Mega-Ray under normal battle conditions even if Ray runs King's Shield. Kyu-B can't manually switch in except on predicted King's Shield but, once it's in, it wins. Especially if Kyu-B runs KS too. However, it does lose 1v1 vs Diancie except under unusual circumstances.
Not arguing to support Ledian here, despite having written the Kyu-B analysis, since, despite being quite powerful, it nor Kyu-W are as splashable as Mega-Diancie or Mega-Ray.
Generally, fighting has very strong neutral hit potential and if combined with scrappy, it will hit stuff like aegislash and gira extremely hard. And as ability wise, fire and ground are typings where people prepare for, fighting has slight edge as coverage as people rarely prepare for it. registeel specially hates suddenly seeing aura sphere or close combat suddenly coming out of a mon it expected v-create or magma storm from, for exsample.Offensively, what does Fighting cover that Fire or Ground doesn't? The only things I can think of are SE hits on Chansey, Gyrados-M, Gigas, Kyurem, and really killing T-Tar hard. And even then, without Contrary, physical Fighting is self-harmful or weight dependent and, specially, you have Aura Sphere, Focus Miss, and Secret Sword... the last of which is actually good, hence why Gengar likes it.
Defensively... what does Fighting block that's relevant?
It's a solid mon but people seemed to have forgot about it, and I really think it should be atleast in the C due of its STAB power with thousand arrows alone being powerful neutral hitting softening force.Should M Sawmpert still be ranked? Discussion on it kinda died but I thought there was a consensus for something around C for it
Mega Mawile's niche is sets with Mawilite, which take advantage of an ability of Simple to set up, and then Mega Evolves to get Huge Power. It's not particularly great, but it is something that no other Pokemon can really do (except Medicham I guess, but Mawile has a much better typing).Does mawile really deserve to be ranked at all? Its stats are pitiful and it cant even use huge power. I honestly cant think of a single reason i would EVER want to run it on a team. Just use registeel please.
Also i dont think pikachu should be ranked. Its basically total rng whether it works or not and it has no place on any serious team.
Except that regular Mawile isnt used; it starts as Mega Mawile holding a Mawilite, and then mega evolves. As for Groudon, thats meant to just be regular Groudon; Primal Groudon is unranked, as it wasn't really a thing that people used when these rankings were made. These rankings are really, really outdated overall tbh, they were put together in the aftermath of the primal bans when the metagame was still sorting itself out, and have barely been updated since. These rankings really need to be overhauled, Darm-Z being above Ho-oh, Deo-A, MChomp and MVenu is an absolute joke.If thats the case than i would say that base forme mawile should be listed instead. Having the mega there implies that the already-mega forme is viable, and is inconsistent with the fact that kyogre and groudon are not ranked seperately from their primal counterparts.
I'm not sure I want to be in charge of running the rankings singlehandedly but as the only remaining member of the original group, I can try to take a look at them and sort them out.Except that regular Mawile isnt used; it starts as Mega Mawile holding a Mawilite, and then mega evolves. As for Groudon, thats meant to just be regular Groudon; Primal Groudon is unranked, as it wasn't really a thing that people used when these rankings were made. These rankings are really, really outdated overall tbh, they were put together in the aftermath of the primal bans when the metagame was still sorting itself out, and have barely been updated since. These rankings really need to be overhauled, Darm-Z being above Ho-oh, Deo-A, MChomp and MVenu is an absolute joke.
Mega Mawile can't mega anymore, that was fixed. It needs to be regular form in order to Mega and gain huge power.Except that regular Mawile isnt used; it starts as Mega Mawile holding a Mawilite, and then mega evolves. As for Groudon, thats meant to just be regular Groudon; Primal Groudon is unranked, as it wasn't really a thing that people used when these rankings were made. These rankings are really, really outdated overall tbh, they were put together in the aftermath of the primal bans when the metagame was still sorting itself out, and have barely been updated since. These rankings really need to be overhauled, Darm-Z being above Ho-oh, Deo-A, MChomp and MVenu is an absolute joke.
I'd be willing to help out if you want me.I'm not sure I want to be in charge of running the rankings singlehandedly but as the only remaining member of the original group, I can try to take a look at them and sort them out.
I would gladly have you on the team if this ends up being revived. I was already in the middle of doing a revamp, though. What do you guys think of this? Is it worth starting a new thread?I'd be willing to help out if you want me.