Don't poll jump to movepools!
I don't mean to cut the cool discussion some of you guys are having, but you're poll jumping now and this isn't the place for it. (Note that this isn't talking about most posts, but only a specific distracting few) We should absolutely not be discussing whether CAP1 should get Bulk Up, Brick Break, Drain Punch, Brave Bird, Focus Blast, Aura Sphere, or whatever other moves it may end up getting based on tons of factors. That is all against the rules. If you want to relate the possible moves that will be available with a certain stat spread, that's fine, but right now the discussion has gone too far. Let's keep it on track.
I personally think that CAP1 should be specially biased in its offenses. The reasoning for this will echo a few other posters in the thread, but is given below.
- CAP1 shouldn't be overly vulnerable to opposing Intimidate or status such as burn
CAP1 needs to be a momentum grabber, and so shouldn't be vulnerable to an unnecessarily large swath of different effects that enemies can throw its way. If the opponent brings in Gyarados on CAP1, CAP1 pretty much doesn't do much even if it managed to get its Sub up. As a matter of fact, this turns CAP1 into setup bait even if it packs status moves, since Gyarados might end up faster and may be able to setup a Substitute of its own. This is echoed in cases such as Jellicent or when switching into random Scald attacks that have 30% chances to burn. We don't want our momentum grabber to randomly be a momentum loser.
- CAP1's typing and concept means that where necessary, it can still punch through Fighting-weak special walls
Many of the special walls in the generation are weak to Fighting-type attacks. Tyranitar, Blissey, Chansey, Ferrothorn, all of them are hit for super effective damage by Fighting-type attacks. This won't necessarily make CAP1 a wallbreaker, but lends itself to the thought process that we're not gimping CAP1 by making it specially inclined.
- Special bias allows CAP1 to better capitalize on Pokemon that tend to invest heavily in their Defense stats, while those that invest in Special Defense can be taken advantage of by typing
There are lots of these defensive Pokemon, spanning Reuniclus to Gliscor to, and regardless of what we choose, their heavily invested physical defense will neuter CAP1 against them if we choose physical bias. Furthermore, almost all of the Pokemon that CAP1 may eventually be tailored to switch in against through stats, such as Conkeldurr, Bisharp, Ferrothorn, Landorus, Garchomp, Gliscor, Blaziken, Skarmory, Scizor, Zoroark, Excadrill, and more, have either the same physical and special bulk or better physical bulk. Additionally, Pokemon that will take advantage of CAP1 by typing, such as Reuniclus and Sigilyph have higher special bulk (and then boost it with CM), making them even more predictable switch-ins to CAP1.
These things, to me, indicate that a special bias is really the way to go for CAP1 even in the face of the movepool points that Deck Knight elucidated above. I feel that the following biases would be reasonable for CAP1:
- PS: Below Average
- SS: Very Good
- PT: Very Good
- ST: Very Good
There's a lot of flexibility in those for people to get creative, but spreads that attempt to maximize everything possible will not go over well with reach and myself. I think as far as limits go, this is the way CAP1 should look.
Sambobz said:
gain, we don't have to limit either of it's offensive stats.
We want CAP1 to be predictable. Being either a mixed, physical, or special attacker all in one is too much versatility for the Pokemon. We shouldn't be making our opponent's guess what our plan is, we should make them play into our hands predictably.