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XY OU Analysis Reservation Index - READ CAREFULLY (MAKING A NEW THREAD)
- Thread starter Jukain
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Fairly certain its been mentioned and rejected due to being complete setup fodder and lack of offensive presence
I feel like shuckle can be enough of a nuisance to prevent sweepers without Taunt from setting up. A moveset like
Stealth Rock/Sticky Web/Encore/Knock Off
Would probably be able to annoy enough to achieve something.
And it would definitely have a defined niche of being able to set Sticky Web more than once throughout a match.
But I'm not going to seriously advocate for an analysis, just wanted to point it out.
Stealth Rock/Sticky Web/Encore/Knock Off
Would probably be able to annoy enough to achieve something.
And it would definitely have a defined niche of being able to set Sticky Web more than once throughout a match.
But I'm not going to seriously advocate for an analysis, just wanted to point it out.
TheManlyLadybug may have Venomoth.
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As I said, I didn't see its mention, that's why I asked.
Anyway, I disagree it is complete set up fodder thanks to encore, and with mental herb + sturdy you have one of your hazards guaranteed. However, if it's have been already rejected, I guess a can't do anything.
For the record, the reason for Shuckle's rejection isn't just the fact that Shuckle itself isn't good. It's also that Sticky Web is an unreliable and sometimes unwanted (in the case of Bisharp) hazard. This is what Fuzznip had to say about it in the rejection:
I think I can do Venomoth now. And if Forretress got a analysis but got rejected, can you link it?
Aww...Me and my big mouth! TheManlyLadybug better make the best Venomoth analysis ever! I wonder if Heliolisk and Typhlosion are viable. Heliolisk is the most weather versatile poke ever and it's a shame it didn't get introduced last gen and Choice Eruption Typhlosion hits like a puppy on steroids eating ketchup on pancakes for breakfast. I am NOT kidding. Specs Eruption is amazing! Sure, he needs Rapid Spin/Defog Support but unless you are going up against a Hyper-Offensive team, it shouldn't be too much of a problem. AND if his HP does get low, he can start kicking out Specs Blaze boosted Fire Blasts so in my experience a solid pokemon.
Heliolisk was already discussed and rejected.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...x-read-carefully.3495075/page-27#post-5315968
Dread Arceus
total cockhead
Not QC, but why use Honchkrow over Mega Mawile or Bisharp?
Honchkrow has moxie, some recovery (doesn't really matter) and an extra SR weakness.
But the biggest part is Flying STAB, it;s brave birds are amazingly powerful
It could get an analysis as a glass cannon with moxie or what not, but really, it's much more at home in UU. There are much better cannons to use in OU, which can even perform other roles, like Latios (nukes and defogs) or Bisharp (nukes, Knock Off utility (which honchkrow doesn't get ;_;) and defog block).
It's still strong, and may deserve an analysis for the reasons darmanitan did, but I honestly don't see why I'd ever use it.
But the biggest part is Flying STAB, it;s brave birds are amazingly powerful
It could get an analysis as a glass cannon with moxie or what not, but really, it's much more at home in UU. There are much better cannons to use in OU, which can even perform other roles, like Latios (nukes and defogs) or Bisharp (nukes, Knock Off utility (which honchkrow doesn't get ;_;) and defog block).
It's still strong, and may deserve an analysis for the reasons darmanitan did, but I honestly don't see why I'd ever use it.
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Valmanway we are not doing unreleased Pokemon yet. Mega Latios would just be incorporated into the current Latios analysis anyway, although once the dex goes up people will be able to submit single sets. Feel free to reserve Volcanion when it is released unless it's only for Badgeholders.
And Honchkrow is too frail and slow to be effective in OU. Its Brave Bird is very powerful, but Pokemon like Talonflame, Mega Pinsir, and Staraptor already supply all of the powerful Flying spam you would need while being faster. Honchkrow is too reliant on Sucker Punch, and this leaves it completely beaten by faster Pokemon that resist Sucker Punch. Bisharp gets away with it because of Defiant and Knock Off, but there's really not much reason to use Honchkrow over other options. If you can provide some replays of it being effective in progress, I'll reconsider, but as we stand, I would say no to Honchkrow.
And Honchkrow is too frail and slow to be effective in OU. Its Brave Bird is very powerful, but Pokemon like Talonflame, Mega Pinsir, and Staraptor already supply all of the powerful Flying spam you would need while being faster. Honchkrow is too reliant on Sucker Punch, and this leaves it completely beaten by faster Pokemon that resist Sucker Punch. Bisharp gets away with it because of Defiant and Knock Off, but there's really not much reason to use Honchkrow over other options. If you can provide some replays of it being effective in progress, I'll reconsider, but as we stand, I would say no to Honchkrow.
Oh, ok. Then I'll just have to wait for Volcanion to come out. Thanks!
Dread Arceus
total cockhead
Honchkrow, Heliolisk, Empoleon, Spiritomb, Wigglytuff, Slurpuff, Accelgor, Tyrantrum, Vivillon, Shuckle, Arcanine, Scrafty, Jumpluff, Malamar, Mienshao, Avalugg, Meowstic-F, Flygon, Archeops, Dusclops, Jolteon, Ninjask, Jellicent, Weezing, Huntail, Delphox, Aromatisse, Pangoro and Azelf have all been rejected in this thread I believe.
Hi, I would just like to wonder if Lilligant is viable. It has a niche as the fastest Sleep Powder user after a boost from Chlorophyll and it is also a good user of Quiver Dance. Also, while a gimmick which would probably go in Other Options, it has access to both Own Tempo and Petal Dance, meaning that it can also work on non-sun teams. While you couldn't use it as a sun counter (I mean, a Fire-type weakness is pretty damn crippling to be honest), but it is a brilliant Chlorophyll sweeper with Chlorophyll, Sleep Powder and Quiver Dance to let it deal heavy damage to the opponent's team, and it can run HP Rock to deal with opposing Talonflame and Charizard switch-ins, effectively negating its main weakness with the correct prediction.
I think the main reason with Lilligant, as always, is that its movepool is really shallow. Aside from Giga Drain, Grass Knot, and Petal Dance you have Hidden Power (nerfed) and Tri Attack from Nature Power. There are a shitload of Pokemon that resists Grass, Unaware Clefable just laughs at it for the most part (might take a chunk from Own Tempo Petal Dance), and Talonflame / Pinsir just shit on you.
It seems really bad on paper.
It seems really bad on paper.
Wow. So many good Pokemon are taken. Alright, let me write up Golurk then. It's not the most impressive Pokemon, but I think it has a niche as a good lead because it's the only Ghost type with access to Stealth Rock, so it can't get Faked Out and it can spinblock. It also has three helpful immunities and a resistance to stealth rock. It got one for gen V; I think it's worthy of an OU Analysis.
Ash Borer
I've heard they're short of room in hell
Golurk had an anaylsis for BW OU on the grounds that spin blocking as way more useful as defog didn't do anything useful, and it was one of Terrakion's counters which in XY isnt as useful as it once was in BW. The XY OU meta isnt very kind to golurk who is slow, unimpressive defensively, and not hard to wall.
I don't support it receiving an analysis, sry
I don't support it receiving an analysis, sry
I'm going to agree w/ Ash and say that I don't think Golurk deserves an analysis, sorry. It struggles versus pretty much every single Pokemon in S-rank, unable to exploit its decent-ish defensive typing (which is also a double-edged sword) and bulk due to its complete lack of reliable recovery. Its weaknesses in terrible Speed and inability to contribute greatly to teams are not even alleviated by its Attack stat, which isn't even particularly spectacular by OU standards. I've also never seen Golurk be used in a serious competitive match as it brings very little to the table for both offensive and defensive teams, with something else always demanding the valuable team slot more. Heck, its niche as a Stealth Rock setter immune to Rapid Spin isn't even useful given that it is destroyed by Latios and Starmie (examples of hazard removers), anyway.
edit: ash borer is anerd good QC member for ninjaing me by a minute 
edit: ash borer is a
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