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Dewpider, Araquanid Discussion
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Very interesting. Loved the design, and now this ability is awesome. You could even run 2 water moves, 1 physical and 1 special if you want to do some massive wall breaking to anyone that doesn't resist water. This is probably the first time its recommended having 2 of the same time move on a pokemom.
Assault vest would probably be one of the better items just so you can be a very tanking special wall while still doing massive damage. Just not sure what the best 4th move would be... Liquidation, leech life, Scald, something else.
Assault vest would probably be one of the better items just so you can be a very tanking special wall while still doing massive damage. Just not sure what the best 4th move would be... Liquidation, leech life, Scald, something else.
Most likely ice on those dragon switch ins. Rough skin/rocky helmet users like garchomp and druddigon won't like an ice beam, even if it comes from a 50 special attack.
haha OPness...I have the sense of humor of a 12 year old.
Anyhoo, who's ready for some Water Bubble Entrained Mons? I'm liking Crabominable for that role, seeing as it can benefit for all 3 effects of that Ability, has Hyper Cutter to eat up Intimidates, and it can provide Wide Guard support as well as amazing dual STAB and spread moves like EQ, Rock Slide, and Bulldoze (though I'll be the first to admit that it has little to offer beyond those perks).
Am I the only one who pronounces Dewpider like it rhymes with Jupiter? It's so much fun.
I don't know much about little cup so I might be talking out of my ass, but Dewpider seems like it has potential there.
With max investment and a positive nature, either of its offences can reach 14, which functionally give 28 when using a water move. For reference, that's equivalent to a base 163. 38/52/72 bulk is also decent by LC standards. It's typing is also good defensively, especially with the added fire resistance and burn immunity. Its biggest problem is its terrible speed and the fact that it only gets the damage boost on water moves. I could see this set working:
Dewpider @ Eviolite/Berry Juice
Ability: Water Bubble
EVs: 212 HP / 20 Def / 196 Spa / 20 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Substitute/Infestation
- Hidden Power Fighting/Substitute
It could also pull off physical sets. Also can I just admire how nice it's stat distribution is? Almost no EV went to waste making this.
With max investment and a positive nature, either of its offences can reach 14, which functionally give 28 when using a water move. For reference, that's equivalent to a base 163. 38/52/72 bulk is also decent by LC standards. It's typing is also good defensively, especially with the added fire resistance and burn immunity. Its biggest problem is its terrible speed and the fact that it only gets the damage boost on water moves. I could see this set working:
Dewpider @ Eviolite/Berry Juice
Ability: Water Bubble
EVs: 212 HP / 20 Def / 196 Spa / 20 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Substitute/Infestation
- Hidden Power Fighting/Substitute
It could also pull off physical sets. Also can I just admire how nice it's stat distribution is? Almost no EV went to waste making this.
I skipped LC this gen but doing some rudimentary calcs it seems pretty good against what I remember being good, great against Omanyte, great against Mienfoo, who has to run some meme acrobatics set to do more than 50% and of course its offenses are ridiculous. It has to worry about being revenged by Archen in particular though, and without reliable recovery it won't like taking repeated hits from SR. I'd be willing to wager that it's probably this gen's #1 addition to LC.
Holy crap, x2 water damage? This is indeed a great revelation, now I can use this guy effectively AND love his design!
Ash Borer
I've heard they're short of room in hell
This thing is actually hilarious with a Choice Band. I mean Azumarill has double attack with base 50 and hits like a truck. This thing has 70. A burn immunity and being able to heal with leech life is nifty too right? Granted Azu has Aqua Jet, better coverage options, and its non-water moves are booster Azumarill is also quite the menace in OU, this could be a UU threat.
Araquanid @ Choice Band
252 HP / 252 Attack
Adamant
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Poison Jab
- Crunch
252+ Atk Choice Band Water Bubble Araquanid Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 165-195 (51 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
yeah what's up
Araquanid @ Choice Band
252 HP / 252 Attack
Adamant
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Poison Jab
- Crunch
252+ Atk Choice Band Water Bubble Araquanid Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 165-195 (51 - 60.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
yeah what's up
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I think Liquidation is a better move than Waterfall. It has slightly more base power and lowers defence too.
Ash Borer
I've heard they're short of room in hell
Yeah I changed that shit. Poison / Water / Dark / Bug is actually not terrible coverage, considering you can bust through a lot of not-so-bulky resists with Liquidation.
This thing is like Crawdaunt but way bulkier, and no priority.
Araquanid @ Leftover
Ability: Water Bubble
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Atk / 100 Def
Impish Nature
- Liquidation
- Lunge
- Wide Guard
- Protect
Note:
- Simple set......
- EVs to survive 252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp's Dragon Claw with 2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery(non Rough Skin Garchomp)
- 156 Atk 2-hit KO Garchomp with Liquidation
- Lunge and Wide Guard for support
- 252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt have 12.5% chance to OHKO(Life Orb will OHKO it)
- 252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer have 6.3% to OHKO(Life Orb will OHKO it)
Ability: Water Bubble
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Atk / 100 Def
Impish Nature
- Liquidation
- Lunge
- Wide Guard
- Protect
Note:
- Simple set......
- EVs to survive 252 Atk Life Orb Garchomp's Dragon Claw with 2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery(non Rough Skin Garchomp)
- 156 Atk 2-hit KO Garchomp with Liquidation
- Lunge and Wide Guard for support
- 252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt have 12.5% chance to OHKO(Life Orb will OHKO it)
- 252+ Atk Tapu Bulu Wood Hammer have 6.3% to OHKO(Life Orb will OHKO it)
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With the giant Pelipper buff, Araquanid will be a really good addition to a rain team. It actually doesn't need much support outside of what a typical rain team would have. If you have a Thunder spammer to get rid of flying types and other water types, you really only need to account for dragons... and what's a rain team without Kingdra? Speed and being a little flimsy on the physical side is the biggest boon here, but if it survives a hit, it is absolutely destroying something. Leech life will be nice for recovery, but unfortunately won't hit anywhere near as hard as the Water Bubble rain-boosted Liquidation.
I feel like we will be seeing quite a bit of Electric Terrain now, however, and that might cause some issues, especially if it comes from a physical attacker.
I feel like we will be seeing quite a bit of Electric Terrain now, however, and that might cause some issues, especially if it comes from a physical attacker.
OKAY: Just to calm the hype a little bit... Further testing will be required for Dewpiders ability; Water Bubble.
I believe there has been a bit of confusion about how much damage the ability actually does. The original video implies that it does similar damage to SE Crunch (160 power).
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...chanics-research.3586701/page-14#post-7079813
The above post has a video with spoilers (So watch at own risk) that shows Liquidation only dealing minorly more damage than SE Crunch. Therefore we believe Water Bubble is the equivalent of Adaptability (Making STAB 2x rather than 1.5x). This makes it 170 power compared to Crunch's 160. If it was doubles water power + STAB than it should have been a clean KO... By an absolute mile. (85*2*1.5 = 255).
I believe there has been a bit of confusion about how much damage the ability actually does. The original video implies that it does similar damage to SE Crunch (160 power).
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...chanics-research.3586701/page-14#post-7079813
The above post has a video with spoilers (So watch at own risk) that shows Liquidation only dealing minorly more damage than SE Crunch. Therefore we believe Water Bubble is the equivalent of Adaptability (Making STAB 2x rather than 1.5x). This makes it 170 power compared to Crunch's 160. If it was doubles water power + STAB than it should have been a clean KO... By an absolute mile. (85*2*1.5 = 255).
I want off Mr. Araquanid's wild ride
Back in the shitmon pile I guess.
Its face. Araquanid is a diving bell spider, and they use that bubble to breathe underwater.
I wouldn't say so. You still have an ability that gives you Adaptability on a good attacking type, makes you immune to burns and makes you resist fire to boot.
Guys, I wouldn't disembark the hype train just yet...
Back on the hype train we go
Upon further testing, I can confirm it is indeed 2x and then another 1.5x due to STAB. The video had incredibly unfortunate damage rolls.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...chanics-research.3586701/page-20#post-7080942
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...chanics-research.3586701/page-20#post-7080945
The above two posts should confirm it. I will add this to the OP of the thread.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...chanics-research.3586701/page-20#post-7080942
http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread...chanics-research.3586701/page-20#post-7080945
The above two posts should confirm it. I will add this to the OP of the thread.
